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Trump hasn’t changed the Republican Party. It never cared about the deficit.

WCH said:
According to your link, Obama spent the most.
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Yes, the numbers get higher each generation. That's why the percentage numbers are what's important. You know that, though. Trump could well increase the deficit by a higher number but will be considered a success if it's a lower percentage.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yes, the numbers get higher each generation. That's why the percentage numbers are what's important. You know that, though. Trump could well increase the deficit by a higher number but will be considered a success if it's a lower percentage.
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Again, spending not wasting.
 
WCH said:
The left has never cared.

Spending taxpayer money has always been a means to an end for them.
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First off, this is a deflection, the topic is the Republicans

Second, at least the left wants to spend it on Americans, to help americans, not for killing brown people all over the world and being bullies for US corporate interests, while giving 1% of the population that already has 90% of the wealth in this country millions and billions in tax breaks

eman623 said:
Neither party cares because the electorate doesn't care. The electorate likes getting a dollar's worth of services for only 70 cents.
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Yup, watched Lincoln last night. This line from Gettysburg Address "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Unfortunately it has perished. Our government is of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.

At least the left is aware and wants to fight that while many on the right just bend over and take it, while cheering it on

Grand Mal said:
Programs that don't work- does that include wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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It works, in filling the defense contractors coffers with billions of dollars of taxpayer money
 
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Trump has dramatically changed the GOP though they are now more blatant about the deficit. The party as I knew it (when I was in it) was not openly discriminatory, could still function as a whole, was not just an "Old white men" party and managed occasional bipartisanship. Even Bush could not drive me away....Trump definitely has.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
First off, this is a deflection, the topic is the Republicans

Second, at least the left wants to spend it on Americans, to help americans, not for killing brown people all over the world and being bullies for US corporate interests, while giving 1% of the population that already has 90% of the wealth in this country millions and billions in tax breaks
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There's not a lot of difference but, seems the Left wants to spend it on non-Americans regardless.
 
Geoist said:
Republicans controlled Congress for most of Obama’s presidency. Not sure why you left that out.
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I left it out because the discussion was about presidents, not congress.
 
Fletch said:
Your link says that under Obama the debt grew the most dollar wise.
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Yes, it did. Because Obama is the most recent president. Trump could very easily grow it more, dollar-wise but less percentage-wise and be called a success.
Surely you know this? Roosevelt only added $236 billion but it was 1,048%.
Did you notice the part that says Trump is liable to add as much in his first term as Obama did in two? Or the part that says Saint Ronald of Reagan added 186%? $1.86 trillion, a record until Dubya added $5.85 trillion, but Dubya's number only represents 101%.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yes, it did. Because Obama is the most recent president. Trump could very easily grow it more, dollar-wise but less percentage-wise and be called a success.
Surely you know this? Roosevelt only added $236 billion but it was 1,048%.
Did you notice the part that says Trump is liable to add as much in his first term as Obama did in two? Or the part that says Saint Ronald of Reagan added 186%? $1.86 trillion, a record until Dubya added $5.85 trillion, but Dubya's number only represents 101%.
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I suppose you have a point in there somewhere, but the fact remains that Obama added more to the debt than any other president. But if you insist on giving the overall title to FDR, go right ahead.
 
Fletch said:
I suppose you have a point in there somewhere, but the fact remains that Obama added more to the debt than any other president. But if you insist on giving the overall title to FDR, go right ahead.
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Wanna bet Trump adds more, far more, to the deficit than Obama did? That site breaks it down to year-by-year, so we don't have to wait and see for four years.
Trump has big plans, and he's already reduced revenue.
 
Grand Mal said:
Wanna bet Trump adds more, far more, to the deficit than Obama did? That site breaks it down to year-by-year, so we don't have to wait and see for four years.
Trump has big plans, and he's already reduced revenue.
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I wont argue with you there.Trump doesnt care about deficits. But democrat dont care either. Neither do establishment republicans. Aside from a few remaining Tea Party members, no one does.
 
Geoist said:
Well, that is what red states get to enjoy. Blue states tend to get less for every dollar they put in.
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No, that's a bullsh*t meme that was dreamed up to further the class warfare. It's an accounting trick. You can't get trillion dollar deficits without every state getting far more than they pay to the feds.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
First off, this is a deflection, the topic is the Republicans

Second, at least the left wants to spend it on Americans, to help americans, not for killing brown people all over the world and being bullies for US corporate interests, while giving 1% of the population that already has 90% of the wealth in this country millions and billions in tax breaks



Yup, watched Lincoln last night. This line from Gettysburg Address "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Unfortunately it has perished. Our government is of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.

At least the left is aware and wants to fight that while many on the right just bend over and take it, while cheering it on



It works, in filling the defense contractors coffers with billions of dollars of taxpayer money
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You're good at race baiting hackery, have anything enlightening to say? Republicans are all about killing brown people? Dude, you have no credibility. I think we'll see you eventually burn out here.
 
Fletch said:
I left it out because the discussion was about presidents, not congress.
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The thread is about how Republicans never actually cared about deficits/debts, unless the other party had control. Look up the Two Santa Theory.
 
eman623 said:
No, that's a bullsh*t meme that was dreamed up to further the class warfare. It's an accounting trick. You can't get trillion dollar deficits without every state getting far more than they pay to the feds.
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That is quite the claim there. How about a link?

Pssst, I've got one.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Most Dependent States:

01. Kentucky
02. Mississippi
03. New Mexico
04. Alabama
05. West Virginia
06. South Carolina
07. Montana
08. Tennessee
09. Maine
10. Indiana
 
Geoist said:
That is quite the claim there. How about a link?

Pssst, I've got one.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Most Dependent States:

01. Kentucky
02. Mississippi
03. New Mexico
04. Alabama
05. West Virginia
06. South Carolina
07. Montana
08. Tennessee
09. Maine
10. Indiana
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Its a meaningless claim, as is the labeling of blue vs red. States do not control who lives in their state, whether they pay taxes, or whether they receive federal benefit. 50% of taxes is paid by the top 5% and most of them live in "blue states", though they certainly arent liberals. Meanwhile millions of poor liberals live in 'red' states.
 
jonny5 said:
Its a meaningless claim, as is the labeling of blue vs red. States do not control who lives in their state, whether they pay taxes, or whether they receive federal benefit. 50% of taxes is paid by the top 5% and most of them live in "blue states", though they certainly arent liberals. Meanwhile millions of poor liberals live in 'red' states.
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More reasons to ditch the labelling altogether.
 
Actually this link is more definitive where the money os going and to whom. It's not a coincidence that the states that get the most per-capita federal money are the ones around Washingtone DC. The house always takes its cut off the top and pays out what is left to the suckers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feder...deral_spending,_by_state,_federal_fiscal_2013

Top 10 states:
District of Columbia
Virginia
Maryland
Alaska
Hawaii
New Mexico
Maine
Alabama
Connecticut
West Virginia
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump hasn’t changed the Republican Party. It never cared about the deficit.



The Deficit, with a capital D, is something the Republicans "care about" only when a Democrat, with a capital D, is in the White House.
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Still waiting for an answer. R aint care about deficits. Ok, so whats the alternative? Elect D who care even less? Elect better R's? Elect D pres, so R will care, but we'll still end up with deficits?

How about a constitutional amendment to balance the budget in peacetime so it wont matter who is in office?
 
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