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National water pipeline project

NonoBadDog said:
How do they do this? Do they send big trucks to Mexico in the middle of the night with guys dressed like ninjas and **** with black bandanas? I think that is the dumbest post I have seen all week.
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Not only that, but it fails to take into account that Mexico diverts the Colorado shortly after it crosses into Mexico near the Mexico/ Arizona/ Cali borders. The river channel runs dry, but the diversion channels in Mexico are all full of water.
 
MTAtech said:
Typically, water pipelines -- such as the ones that feed New York City, run from high elevation reservoirs. I would suspect that if reservoirs "A" is higher than reservoirs "B" water can be sent from A to B, but not the other way without pumps. Since water weighs 8 lbs per gallon, that's a lot of energy needed to ship water.

Moreover, please note the correct way to spell "reservoirs."
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trouble13 said:
Water towers provide pressure not pumps. It's just a matter of opening and closing valves
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How does the water get UP INTO the water tower? Oh yeah. Pumps.
 
trouble13 said:
With all the recent talk about infrastructure, there's one thing I never hear anyone discuss. Ways to combat the effects of droughts. I would like to see a national pipeline put in place that connects all our resiviors. This way if say Oregon has so much water in its resiviors that they are actually opening damn to divert it into stream it could instead be sent into a pipeline that could carry it to places that have low resiviors.

Just curious what you all see as the pros and cons to my idea

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The topic has come up a number of times.

Here's an older link. https://www.livescience.com/43176-drought-pipeline-water-projects-arid-west.html

More recent: https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...est-our-future-says-nasa-scientist/100301326/

I think the way is desal plants for California. It will be expensive but should be cheaper than piping in water from the northern midwest.
 
azgreg said:
The topic has come up a number of times.

Here's an older link. https://www.livescience.com/43176-drought-pipeline-water-projects-arid-west.html

More recent: https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...est-our-future-says-nasa-scientist/100301326/

I think the way is desal plants for California. It will be expensive but should be cheaper than piping in water from the northern midwest.
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Im on the easy coast and had no idea it was a hot issue. I was thinking of farmers growing our food mostly

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trouble13 said:
Im on the easy coast and had no idea it was a hot issue. I was thinking of farmers growing our food mostly

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Lake Powell is one of our main reservoirs and they expect it to only get about 47% of it's normal input this year.

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It's a big issue.
 
Yep, Lake Powell is shrinking.

My sis and I were driving through Nevada. We drove by a large lake that had lots of big old abandoned boats parked by it. Curious, we looked it up later. It was Walker Lake. It had at one time been the home of giant Lahontan Cutthroat trout. The lake no longer had fish, and was dying, from the Walker River being completely diverted upstream for irrigation. There were stories of old timers netting the legendary trout in huge numbers. There was a movement to refill/restore Walker Lake, at one point, but it wasn't successful.
 
Going to need some more nuclear power plants to power the pumps.....
 
Not sure if you want to disturb the various water tables by pumping from one into another.
I don't believe that water can ever find its way back to the water table that it came from once pumped into another water table.
Wouldn't you eventually cause a drought, perhaps a permanent one, from where you are pumping from?
Might cause irreversible ecological damage.
 
trouble13 said:
With all the recent talk about infrastructure, there's one thing I never hear anyone discuss. Ways to combat the effects of droughts. I would like to see a national pipeline put in place that connects all our resiviors. This way if say Oregon has so much water in its resiviors that they are actually opening damn to divert it into stream it could instead be sent into a pipeline that could carry it to places that have low resiviors.

Just curious what you all see as the pros and cons to my idea

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Technically feasible but economically unjustifiable.

A better option is water conservation, including discouraging development in drought-prone areas
 
eohrnberger said:
Not sure if you want to disturb the various water tables by pumping from one into another.
I don't believe that water can ever find its way back to the water table that it came from once pumped into another water table.
Wouldn't you eventually cause a drought, perhaps a permanent one, from where you are pumping from?
Might cause irreversible ecological damage.
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Surface water would not be to much of a problem. Other than for issues like foreign species entering new habitat. Taking water from the Miss. might cause further erosion of the Miss. delta however
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Surface water would not be to much of a problem. Other than for issues like foreign species entering new habitat. Taking water from the Miss. might cause further erosion of the Miss. delta however
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From the science that I recall from school about the water cycle, even surface water 'belongs' to a particular water table.

Yes, there are exits from the local water table, such as the Miss, as you point out, so maybe what I recall of the science was very high level, and didn't go into that level of detail?
 
eohrnberger said:
From the science that I recall from school about the water cycle, even surface water 'belongs' to a particular water table.

Yes, there are exits from the local water table, such as the Miss, as you point out, so maybe what I recall of the science was very high level, and didn't go into that level of detail?
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There are plenty of exits for water from traditional pathways. Mass irrigation takes water from it and places it in fpodvthat is exported across the world. Beer, bottled water and soda do the same. The water in the Miss is replaced regularly through rain and snow melt. Taking 5% and sending it to Texas would not cause harm to the water table but might have an effect on the delta
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
There are plenty of exits for water from traditional pathways. Mass irrigation takes water from it and places it in fpodvthat is exported across the world. Beer, bottled water and soda do the same. The water in the Miss is replaced regularly through rain and snow melt. Taking 5% and sending it to Texas would not cause harm to the water table but might have an effect on the delta
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Even more interesting things that you mention, and that make sense. Think of the years of beverage shipments across the nation adding up.
 
Trees and oceans make water. Golf courses are one waste.
 
sangha said:
Technically feasible but economically unjustifiable.

A better option is water conservation, including discouraging development in drought-prone areas
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Honestly I have no idea what the cost eould be but water os so important i just yhought ild float the odea of creating a grid like we with power

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trouble13 said:
With all the recent talk about infrastructure, there's one thing I never hear anyone discuss. Ways to combat the effects of droughts. I would like to see a national pipeline put in place that connects all our resiviors. This way if say Oregon has so much water in its resiviors that they are actually opening damn to divert it into stream it could instead be sent into a pipeline that could carry it to places that have low resiviors.

Just curious what you all see as the pros and cons to my idea

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Ha Ha even if it was a good idea, states rarely cooperate with each other like you suggest. Just look at all the different laws and lack of acceptance of laws in other states.
 
beefheart said:
We did something like that in Arizona about 40 years ago. The Central Arizona Project is a very long canal which diverts water from the Colorado river to metro Phoenix. Plus, we instituted all kinds of rules about water usage which has helped the stated during the last few droughts.
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You know you're going to totally run out of water in ten years, right?

And don't think you're getting any of ours.

You made your desert, now shrivel up in it.
 
camlok said:
You fail to mention how the USA has for years stolen Mexican water in its usual overbearing, exceedingly greedy manner.

"... the mighty Colorado River ... rarely reaches the sea".

Where the Colorado River Runs Dry - The New York Times
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The Colorado was a great success if you are getting the water. It is one of the greatest ecological disasters if you happen to live where it enters the sea and a major estuary has been destroyed. We have a more powerful military so the hell with Mexico. That is how the bully thinks.
 
Vox said:
You know you're going to totally run out of water in ten years, right?

And don't think you're getting any of ours.

You made your desert, now shrivel up in it.
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We got plenty of water.

We take care of our state.....we aren't sharing with lesser states.
 
I know in NE PA where I grew up we had all kinds of canals , dams, and flood control projects that also saved the spring flood water and used it to turn water wheels all summer as well as irrigate crops. It was a very efficient system. The farms have closed unable to pay a decent wage and compete with the exploitation of illegals out west and the south. I still take walks in the woods and visit a lot of the old dams and what is left of the old infrastructure. With all these dams gone we are under constant threat of flood ever time we get heavy rains. In the past hundreds of small dams on all the small streams collected the water and then released slowly all summer. They used the water for farming and as a source of power. And of course the people used it in their homes as well. A lot of the lakes were used for ice. They would saw lumber in the summer and in the winter they would cut ice off the lakes and store it in sheds insulated with the sawdust for all the old icebox's. The people worked the saw mills all summer and cut ice all winter.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Ha Ha even if it was a good idea, states rarely cooperate with each other like you suggest. Just look at all the different laws and lack of acceptance of laws in other states.
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They do it with electric but water quality is an inresting point

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trouble13 said:
They do it with electric but water quality is an inresting point

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I imagine with a national water grid, states would be free to treat the water in order to bring it up to their standards
 
beefheart said:
We got plenty of water.

We take care of our state.....we aren't sharing with lesser states.
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Speaking of water..........Denial is a river in Egypt.

:D
 
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