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I came across a Snopes article, which is a very leftist "fact-checking" source, and I was surprised to see they agree that President Trump had reduced the debt by the end of July: https://www.snopes.com/national-debt-trump/

I'm not sure what happened in the second half of the year, but that's pretty interesting.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
I came across a Snopes article, which is a very leftist "fact-checking" source, and I was surprised to see they agree that President Trump had reduced the debt by the end of July: https://www.snopes.com/national-debt-trump/

I'm not sure what happened in the second half of the year, but that's pretty interesting.
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They agree the debt was reduced, they don't agree that Trump reduced it.

As pointed out, what was the legislation he passed that reduced the debt his first year?
 
atheist4thecaus said:
I came across a Snopes article, which is a very leftist "fact-checking" source, and I was surprised to see they agree that President Trump had reduced the debt by the end of July: https://www.snopes.com/national-debt-trump/

I'm not sure what happened in the second half of the year, but that's pretty interesting.
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I don't think you read your own link. They specifically said they had no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it.

You're right, they're a fact checking source. And as such, they accurately reported that the national debt had decreased by the end of July. Did you expect them to lie and say it didn't?

But no, they didn't agree that Trump reduced debt. You shouldn't misrepresent this. They said this:

The Truth Division, a conservative, openly pro-Trump web site, clearly attributes this decline in the national debt to the president, claiming he and his administration are “undoing the government’s rampant spending” and “keeping his promises regarding fiscal responsibility”. However, the article does not cite any examples of actions taken by Donald Trump which would support this conclusion.

Instead, Bernstein told us, the cause of the drop in the debt is simple — the federal debt ceiling that has been in place since March 2017.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
I came across a Snopes article, which is a very leftist "fact-checking" source, and I was surprised to see they agree that President Trump had reduced the debt by the end of July: https://www.snopes.com/national-debt-trump/

I'm not sure what happened in the second half of the year, but that's pretty interesting.
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Hardly what one would consider a "very leftist" fact checking source.
 
iliveonramen said:
They agree the debt was reduced, they don't agree that Trump reduced it.

As pointed out, what was the legislation he passed that reduced the debt his first year?
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Right, I forgot, Trump never has anything to do with anything good, only the bad. :D
 
Amazing!! Stop spending money and the debt stops increasing!! No WAI!! :)
 
atheist4thecaus said:
If you don't think Snopes is very leftist then you are far on the left.
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Anybody who thinks Snopes is far leftist is a far rightist.

Hey! just pulling crap out of thin air is fun.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
I came across a Snopes article, which is a very leftist "fact-checking" source, and I was surprised to see they agree that President Trump had reduced the debt by the end of July: https://www.snopes.com/national-debt-trump/

I'm not sure what happened in the second half of the year, but that's pretty interesting.
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And he just gave it all away and then some to pay himself and his rich buddies

atheist4thecaus said:
Right, I forgot, Trump never has anything to do with anything good, only the bad. :D
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So no rebuttal or argument? So you are admitting Trump had nothing to do with it?
 
atheist4thecaus said:
If you don't think Snopes is very leftist then you are far on the left.

UPDATE: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#5e506c9b227f
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I think that they have a slightly liberal slant on SOME things, some of the time.
I'm hardly what one would call "far left".
I mostly identify as liberal, but because I have some conservative views on certain issues, I list myself as "undisclosed", and indeed, have gotten into dustups with some on the far left right here and elsewhere on current issues precisely because of those conservative views.
 
Kobie said:
That’s not an answer.
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There wasn't a question.

iliveonramen said:
What legislation has he passed that reduced the debt?
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Anything done or not done during the time that Trump was in office. One doesn't have to enact something specifically to reduce debt, they can simply spend less and let policies that did cost money phase out. Trump did enact a policy of having fewer people in government positions. That's one example. Of course, there is no one single source that is fully responsible, and of course what Obama set Trump up with in terms of obligations matters, but Trump's leadership also matters, and as the acting President, it makes sense to point to debt under Trump despite many obligations being inherited. It is important to note that Obama grew the debt substantially, so it's not as if Trump was inheriting policies from a debt killer.
 
And by the way, the upshot of that is, it's always good to use more than one fact checking service, and to rotate them from time to time, and to also use your own common sense by actually reading more than one SOURCE for various news stories.

Just going to a fact check site first thing out of the box isn't the best way to analyze news and information.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Anything done or not done during the time that Trump was in office. One doesn't have to enact something specifically to reduce debt, they can simply spend less and let policies that did cost money phase out. Trump did enact a policy of having fewer people in government positions. That's one example. Of course, there is no one single source that is fully responsible, and of course what Obama set Trump up with in terms of obligations matters, but Trump's leadership also matters, and as the acting President, it makes sense to point to debt under Trump despite many obligations being inherited. It is important to note that Obama grew the debt substantially, so it's not as if Trump was inheriting policies from a debt killer. .
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So there's no legislation passed that reduced spending or increased revenue but he fixed the deficit.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I think that they have a slightly liberal slant on SOME things, some of the time.
I'm hardly what one would call "far left".
I mostly identify as liberal, but because I have some conservative views on certain issues, I list myself as "undisclosed", and indeed, have gotten into dustups with some on the far left right here and elsewhere on current issues precisely because of those conservative views.
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Wikipedia for Snopes also claimes that the founder has said Snopes receives more complaints about liberal bias than conservative bias. Forbes highlighted the problems they have with transparency, and their willingness to hire partisans. The Snopes bias is pretty well-documented.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
There wasn't a question.



Anything done or not done during the time that Trump was in office. One doesn't have to enact something specifically to reduce debt, they can simply spend less and let policies that did cost money phase out. Trump did enact a policy of having fewer people in government positions. That's one example. Of course, there is no one single source that is fully responsible, and of course what Obama set Trump up with in terms of obligations matters, but Trump's leadership also matters, and as the acting President, it makes sense to point to debt under Trump despite many obligations being inherited. It is important to note that Obama grew the debt substantially, so it's not as if Trump was inheriting policies from a debt killer.
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The debt grew substantially UNDER Obama's terms in office, but not all of it was directly attributable to Obama's actions and policies.
In fact, it's possible to look up specifically what WAS directly attributable to his actions and policies, just as with any administration. National debt is a long term thing, and its accumulation is from long term actions, some of which specifically and EVEN INTENTIONALLY are designed to outlive the two terms of a presidency.
In POINT of fact, some actions from an administration AND from a session of Congress even STATE that their actions will continue "beyond the presidency" and some laws passed BY CONGRESS are dubbed "PERMANENT", such as the recent corporate tax cuts.

Looking at the national debt through the ideological equivalent of an empty cardboard toilet paper tube is, in a word:
MYOPIC.

And it brings with it, its very OWN sort of SLANT.

Oh and lastly, SOME national debt is actually a very good thing, and extremely important, because SOME national debt is actually a valuable financial instrument.

I would challenge you to think about what would happen if every penny of the entire 20 trillion dollars of the national debt were to be PAID IN FULL TOMORROW.
 
iliveonramen said:
So there's no legislation passed that reduced spending or increased revenue but he fixed the deficit.
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Please re-read my statement. I gave as an example of policy that Trump reduced the size of government by not filing all of the government positions. That saves money. People have asked how Trump influenced the debt, and I gave an example. It seems people are now just going to ignore my example.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I think that they have a slightly liberal slant on SOME things, some of the time.
I'm hardly what one would call "far left".
I mostly identify as liberal, but because I have some conservative views on certain issues, I list myself as "undisclosed", and indeed, have gotten into dustups with some on the far left right here and elsewhere on current issues precisely because of those conservative views.
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Yeah, because liberalism has a liberal bias. liberals base their opinion on fact far more than conservatives do. You can see that on this site when liberals post paragraph or more post explaining their position and are met largely with "nuh uh" and other deflections.

That's why so many conservatives think everything is biased against them, all media (except Fox), tv, movies, science, universities, etc. They really have bought into the fox propaganda that only fox is fair and balance and everything is is mainstream bias.

Ironically, the mainstream media is owned by giant corporations owned by super rich people, that benefit from getting tax breaks from REpublicans. They most certainly aren't a beacon of liberalism
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Please re-read my statement. I gave as an example of policy that Trump reduced the size of government by not filing all of the government positions. That saves money. People have asked how Trump influenced the debt, and I gave an example. It seems people are now just going to ignore my example.
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Ok, so the deficit was reduced because we hired less people. I'm sorry for missing that.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The debt grew substantially UNDER Obama's terms in office, but not all of it was directly attributable to Obama's actions and policies.
In fact, it's possible to look up specifically what WAS directly attributable to his actions and policies, just as with any administration. National debt is a long term thing, and its accumulation is from long term actions, some of which specifically and EVEN INTENTIONALLY are designed to outlive the two terms of a presidency.
In POINT of fact, some actions from an administration AND from a session of Congress even STATE that their actions will continue "beyond the presidency" and some laws passed BY CONGRESS are dubbed "PERMANENT", such as the recent corporate tax cuts.

Looking at the national debt through the ideological equivalent of an empty cardboard toilet paper tube is, in a word:
MYOPIC.

And it brings with it, its very OWN sort of SLANT.

Oh and lastly, SOME national debt is actually a very good thing, and extremely important, because SOME national debt is actually a valuable financial instrument.

I would challenge you to think about what would happen if every penny of the entire 20 trillion dollars of the national debt were to be PAID IN FULL TOMORROW.
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Wow. After 8 years of Obama you are still trying to blame Bush for Obama growing the debt. Unbelievable.
 
iliveonramen said:
What legislation has he passed that reduced the debt?
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Actually, he's so incompetent he hasn't filled so many positions in his government, plus his goal is to destroy government anyway, that's clear. So that likely saved a lot of money.

And that's not a good thing, something major is going to happen and there aren't going to be people to deal with it
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Wikipedia for Snopes also claimes that the founder has said Snopes receives more complaints about liberal bias than conservative bias. Forbes highlighted the problems they have with transparency, and their willingness to hire partisans. The Snopes bias is pretty well-documented.
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What is your point, beyond simply acknowledging that tons of conservatives write in to Snopes to complain?
What's next, demanding that I prove a negative?
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Please re-read my statement. I gave as an example of policy that Trump reduced the size of government by not filing all of the government positions. That saves money.
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Some of those failures to fill vacancies may very well cause DISASTROUS and extremely expensive problems a very short way down the road, or do you refuse to acknowledge that aspect of it?
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Wow. After 8 years of Obama you are still trying to blame Bush for Obama growing the debt. Unbelievable.
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Please show me where in my post that I mentioned Bush specifically.
I see what you're doing there but it's not going to work.
I could leave Bush out of this entirely and still make my points, because in the end, Bush still needed Congress, who controls the purse strings.

Is it disingenuous for me to put responsibility on Congress too?
 
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