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Leftist Nightmare: Gov Brown to drain govt pensions to fight global warming and immigration law.

Yep, it is time to face reality - you can't afford to pay folks so much not to work without taxing those that do work so much that they may flee your local or state boundaries.
 
I won't hold my breath.

Whatever plan Brown is working, it's one he's hatched with the unions, not against them.
 
Jerry Brown is determined to prove that California can be worse off than Greece....
 
The headline for this thread is a lie. A belief which exists only in the minds of those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome - a state of mind in which people actually believe anything that comes from Trump or his masters, those who babble on the Fox network, particularly the three found on the couch at "Fox and Friends"

You see, there is a real world which for some reason, an ever-shrinking minority doesn't believe is actually real. We're in the money, California! Now let's not spend our budget surplus like drunken sailors
 
Just don't ask Gov Moonbeam the following questions.... 'cause he might spazz out and go back to tooting cocaine...


1. Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other?

2. During the past million years, North America thawed while Greenland froze, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. So what did Co2 have to do with either event??
 
Just don't ask Gov Moonbeam the following questions.... 'cause he might spazz out and go back to tooting cocaine...


1. Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other?

2. During the past million years, North America thawed while Greenland froze, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. So what did Co2 have to do with either event??

Don't know much geography, do ya?
 
Yep, it is time to face reality - you can't afford to pay folks so much not to work without taxing those that do work so much that they may flee your local or state boundaries.

I think Governor "Moonbeam" Brown is facing the same thing that Maggie Thatcher said "SOCIALIST GOVERNMENTS TRADITIONALLY DO MAKE A FINANCIAL MESS. THEY ALWAYS RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY"
 
Yep, it is time to face reality - you can't afford to pay folks so much not to work without taxing those that do work so much that they may flee your local or state boundaries.

So after you retire you're going to work to pay for your social security.
 
The headline for this thread is a lie. A belief which exists only in the minds of those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome - a state of mind in which people actually believe anything that comes from Trump or his masters, those who babble on the Fox network, particularly the three found on the couch at "Fox and Friends"

You see, there is a real world which for some reason, an ever-shrinking minority doesn't believe is actually real. We're in the money, California! Now let's not spend our budget surplus like drunken sailors

Their pension fund is 1.7trillion dollars short ofnwhere it is supposed to be.
They are not rolling in anything but debt.

Is is why public unions are a disaster and taxpayers should have a third party in the mix to watch out for this.
Actually they should sue the government for lack of fiscal responsibility.
 
What he's talking about is the coming crash. Thus far California has a six billion dollar surplus.

Even if he has a 6 billion dollar surplus he has a 1.7 trillion dollar deficit in his pension fund.
 
Even if he has a 6 billion dollar surplus he has a 1.7 trillion dollar deficit in his pension fund.

You really should read the article without your Goggles of Truth. If you did you might, not sure owing to past responses, but maybe, you would find that it is not California with a $1.7 trillion deficit.
 
So after you retire you're going to work to pay for your social security.

Nope, you must realize that my social security (SS) is peanuts when compared to a government employee's retirement benefit. My social security after working 40+ years is $1,800/month while my (younger) sister-in-law gets $3,600/month after for working 20 years as a public school teacher (and not paying into SS). Another difference, well worth noting, is that fleeing a high taxing state is far easier than fleeing the US (remember that my SS is not subject to federal income tax).
 
Don't know much geography, do ya?



Interesting that you CHICKENED OUT from attempting to answer the questions, and instead responded with insult.

Just like the "US" media does....
 
Interesting that you CHICKENED OUT from attempting to answer the questions, and instead responded with insult.

Just like the "US" media does....

Yeah, you got me. I just can't handle the truth known by those who are clueless.

1) Why does Antarctica have more ice than the Arctic? It's a continent, you know, there's rocks under most of that ice. Then there's the weather patterns caused by the lack of land masses in the lower Southern latitudes, it's why they are called the Roaring Forties, the Frantic Fifties and Screaming Sixties - well, they are by those of us who have sailed down there.

Arctic ice, for the most part is sitting on water, with all of the currents and up-wellings which can disturb ice on the surface.

2) Only part of North America is found in the same latitudes as Greenland.

Sorry, but I will 'insult' adults who make false statements owing to their seemingly deliberate choice to not learn.
 
Nope, you must realize that my social security (SS) is peanuts when compared to a government employee's retirement benefit. My social security after working 40+ years is $1,800/month while my (younger) sister-in-law gets $3,600/month after for working 20 years as a public school teacher (and not paying into SS). Another difference, well worth noting, is that fleeing a high taxing state is far easier than fleeing the US (remember that my SS is not subject to federal income tax).

Benefits are based on contributions and in a lot of cases - contracts. What Brown is referring to is a change in the law that will allow lowered benefits after the eminent crash. Teachers don't get SS, in California at any rate. And your SS is subject to 6.2% FICA tax. Just because you chose to work without the benefit of a union pension is no reason to slight others for doing so.
 
Benefits are based on contributions and in a lot of cases - contracts. What Brown is referring to is a change in the law that will allow lowered benefits after the eminent crash. Teachers don't get SS, in California at any rate. And your SS is subject to 6.2% FICA tax. Just because you chose to work without the benefit of a union pension is no reason to slight others for doing so.

What good is a CA union pension if those contract terms can be unilaterally changed later? Maybe those union contracts deserve to get taken as the joke that they are and it is comforting to see the CA government face reality.
 
What good is a CA union pension if those contract terms can be unilaterally changed later? Maybe those union contracts deserve to get taken as the joke that they are and it is comforting to see the CA government face reality.

It's called a rider. And if everything crashes, your social security goes down too.
 
You really should read the article without your Goggles of Truth. If you did you might, not sure owing to past responses, but maybe, you would find that it is not California with a $1.7 trillion deficit.

Across the country, states and local governments have about $1.7 trillion less than what they need to cover retirement benefits -- the result of investment losses, the failure by governments to make adequate contributions and perks granted in boom times.

Yes you should read.
They have a 1.7 trillion dollar deficit. That money has to be paid somehow.

Please read and understand what 1.7 trillion less than what they need means.
 
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