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    Re: Passing of GOP tax plan leads to payday for corporate employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    It was a negotiation with their union, the Communication Workers of America, not a result of a tax cut. This deal had been in the works for some time, and was agreed upon on December 13.
    I'm not sure what you're talking about. My son is represented in AT&T Southeast, which includes wireline workers. He's in the middle of a four-year agreement negotiated in 2015. So if anything was being negotiated on his behalf this month, he sure as hell wasn't aware of it. The newsletter from the CWA mentions that employees will receive a $1,000 bonus from the company, but notice that the letter you linked is kind of cagey about how it came about. The union president was "pleased to have negotiated additional money for members," but he never explicitly says it was THAT money. And if it was THAT money, then why didn't he mention it before today if an agreement was concluded on the 13th? The first word my son got about it came in the form of an e-mail yesterday from AT&T. He didn't hear squat from the CWA. One would think they would have been tripping over themselves to inform workers that they'd be getting a $1,000 bonus for the Holidays, but, alas, the silence was deafening. Of course, it makes sense for the union president to try to take credit for this bonus and talk up how he and his lackeys are so wonderful and worth every penny of union dues, endlessly struggling to help them get the "fair share" they're entitled to. It makes further sense when placed in the context that they're Democratic shills and hate Trump and are increasingly out of lockstep with the people they claim to hold near and dear to their hearts. Even the letter you linked mentions the usual Democrat arguments: a giveaway to "greedy" corporations and "the rich."

    Anyway, I did notice that AT&T Mobility concluded a contract on December 13th, with a component of the wage part of the agreement being a $1,000 lump sum. No mention at that point was made of it being a "bonus." So I don't know. Maybe someone is trying to conflate the two. But here's a fact: No mention is made in AT&T's statement on the bonus about it being the result of a negotiation with the CWA. But it is titled With Tax Reform, AT&T Plans to Increase U.S. Capital Spending $1 Billion and Provide $1,000 Special Bonus to more than 200,000 U.S. Employees).
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    Re: Passing of GOP tax plan leads to payday for corporate employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I'm not sure what you're talking about. My son is represented in AT&T Southeast, which includes wireline workers. He's in the middle of a four-year agreement negotiated in 2015. So if anything was being negotiated on his behalf this month, he sure as hell wasn't aware of it. The newsletter from the CWA mentions that employees will receive a $1,000 bonus from the company, but notice that the letter you linked is kind of cagey about how it came about. The union president was "pleased to have negotiated additional money for members," but he never explicitly says it was THAT money. And if it was THAT money, then why didn't he mention it before today if an agreement was concluded on the 13th? The first word my son got about it came in the form of an e-mail yesterday from AT&T. He didn't hear squat from the CWA. One would think they would have been tripping over themselves to inform workers that they'd be getting a $1,000 bonus for the Holidays, but, alas, the silence was deafening. Of course, it makes sense for the union president to try to take credit for this bonus and talk up how he and his lackeys are so wonderful and worth every penny of union dues, endlessly struggling to help them get the "fair share" they're entitled to. It makes further sense when placed in the context that they're Democratic shills and hate Trump and are increasingly out of lockstep with the people they claim to hold near and dear to their hearts. Even the letter you linked mentions the usual Democrat arguments: a giveaway to "greedy" corporations and "the rich."

    Anyway, I did notice that AT&T Mobility concluded a contract on December 13th, with a component of the wage part of the agreement being a $1,000 lump sum. No mention at that point was made of it being a "bonus." So I don't know. Maybe someone is trying to conflate the two. But here's a fact: No mention is made in AT&T's statement on the bonus about it being the result of a negotiation with the CWA. But it is titled With Tax Reform, AT&T Plans to Increase U.S. Capital Spending $1 Billion and Provide $1,000 Special Bonus to more than 200,000 U.S. Employees).
    How bad do you want it? How much are you willing to lie to achieve this false success in the name of? Your facts are a failed numerator. Big companies will always do what best suits them, which has nothing to do with their workers. But please keep on feeding on the empty, until they drain US dry.
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    Re: Passing of GOP tax plan leads to payday for corporate employees

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    How bad do you want it? How much are you willing to lie to achieve this false success in the name of? Your facts are a failed numerator. Big companies will always do what best suits them, which has nothing to do with their workers. But please keep on feeding on the empty, until they drain US dry.
    How much am I willing to lie? Really? I'm transmitting a message to you through the ether at this moment. Did you get it? Where's the lie? What "false success" are you talking about? Two days ago my son received the following e-mail from the company:

    From: Randall Stephenson CEO
    Date: December 20, 2017 at 1:02:37 PM CST
    Subject: Tax reform provides more investment and special bonus

    To: All U.S. employees

    Today, Congress approved legislation representing the first comprehensive tax reform in a generation. The President is expected to sign the bill in the coming days.

    Among other things, it sets a 21% corporate tax rate for U.S. businesses, which is in line with the rest of the industrialized world. This new lower rate encourages businesses to invest more in the United States. And more investment creates more good-paying jobs and increases economic growth.

    Once tax reform is signed into law, we plan to invest an additional $1 billion in the United States in 2018 and pay a special $1,000 bonus to more than 200,000 of our U.S. employees — all union-represented, non-management, and 1st and 2nd line managers — as added recognition for their dedication and hard work. If the President signs the bill before Christmas, employees will receive the bonus over the holidays.

    Happy holidays!

    Randall
    So then yesterday, AFTER the company announcement, the CWA follows with a message in their newsletter insinuating that the membership can thank them for it. Union employees didn't receive squat from them about it until then. If this was part of a negotiation that concluded on the 13th, then why didn't the CWA announce it sooner? The CWA represents about 150,000 workers. What about the extra 50,000 non-union workers and lower-level managers who are getting a bonus? Was the union fighting for them to get their "fair share," too? I highly doubt it. But, of course, the Left can't have the public seeing a major corporation doing anything magnanimous, even a bonus that's a "drop in the bucket compared to what was promised," for its employees. After all, corporations are greedy, capitalist pigs. So now the false narrative that we can thank the union starts. There's your lie. "Fake news" is a good way to put it.
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    Re: Passing of GOP tax plan leads to payday for corporate employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    My older son is an installer for AT&T--Communications Workers of America. He's not rich, but those 1,000 Trump dollars will be real money in his pocket.
    AT&T is about to lay off thosands...

    AT&T Announces Thousands of Layoffs, Firings Just in Time for Christmas


    In May and June of 2017 the Republican Congress attempted to disallow pre-existing conditions and strip healthcare from 24 million Americans. They failed by only 1 vote.

    Protect your healthcare. Please register and Vote Democrat on November 6.

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    Re: Passing of GOP tax plan leads to payday for corporate employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    We have a dynamic economy. We're not like France, which has chronically high unemployment coupled with powerful public-sector labor unions (What are French President Emmanuel Macron's labor reforms | Europe | DW | 31.08.2017). The AT&T jobs being lost are in the wireline segment. Verizon has already sold off most of its wireline infrastructure to companies like Frontier Communications. It's largely a wireless company today. Let's face it: Many people just don't use landlines anymore. They use cellphones or VOIP systems that run through the Internet. In my son's case, he does it all: DirectTV, fiber optic, U-Verse, wireline--whatever. BUT he's hedging his bet that he'll be useful by taking advantage of IT classes being offered by the company. AT&T has already put its employees on notice that over the next ten to fifteen years or so, perhaps sooner, it will evolve its business away from copper POTS lines and even optical fiber cable to later-generation LTE networks. What that means from a practical standpoint is customers who call the company requesting Internet or phone service will get a box in the mail with an antenna that they stick out of a window and point at a tower or pole. There will be no need to dispatch a tech to install it. If it breaks, they'll order another one and send back the old one. This means fewer workers will be needed by the company.

    To the degree that there's resistance to this future, it will come largely from businesses and government. For example, a business customer my son dealt with wanted to change its security system. The problem was the system it wanted to buy depended on a POTS line, as do many traditional alarm systems. Many businesses also cling to facsimile technology for some reason. It sucks, but they still use it. Also many rural parts of the country depend on POTS because it isn't cost effective to install cellphone service where there are few customers who'll use it. So as long as there's demand for traditional phone service and high-speed fiber for Internet service, someone will be there to provide it. But, yeah, the handwriting is on the wall: copper telephone lines are the 21st-Century version of the buggy whip.
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