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New York's Wealthiest Are Moving Out

Yeah, the Republican tax plan is a boon to the wealthy. How about those wealthy New Yorkers, who want to move away to pay lower taxes? The solution to New York is quite simple: Raise taxes on whoever remains.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/yorks-wealthiest-threatening-mass-exodus-213717626.html

Next up, California and Hollywood moving to Mississippi.

So, rich people, who live in multimillion dollar apartments and homes are going to move to FL? Ok, what does that do to the value of luxury apartments and to the assets of real estate moguls?
 
When our Republican tax plan directed by President Trump passes this week it's going to be the biggest Christmas gift ever given to the American middle class taxpayer and their families. Something this dude and his regime refuses to do.
It will be a wonderful sight seeing jobs being created. The liberals/Demos will be soiling their huggies after Wednesday of next week. Dictator obama's regime and his ruling is being taking down bit by bit...Merry Christmas one and all !
You are merely parroting Trump, who knows nothing about what is actually in the bill. According to Trump, the tax bill will grow GDP by 4, 5, and 6 percent but actual economists say that's fantasy and it will not create jobs.

"Christmas gift?" Who takes away a Christmas gift a few years later? Trump and the GOP do. The middle class will end up paying higher taxes in 2025, according to this bill, while corporations get a permanent cut.

"Dictator Obama?" It's not even worth arguing that nonsense.
 
I realize you guys are in denial about companies moving overseas due to taxes. It's easier for you to try claiming it is the cheap labor. Sure, many companies do move overseas due to cheap labor BUT many other companies also move overseas to avoid the US high tax rates.

My company this year moved its headquarters to London. Why? 10% corporate rate.
 
You are merely parroting Trump, who knows nothing about what is actually in the bill. According to Trump, the tax bill will grow GDP by 4, 5, and 6 percent but actual economists say that's fantasy and it will not create jobs.

"Christmas gift?" Who takes away a Christmas gift a few years later? Trump and the GOP do. The middle class will end up paying higher taxes in 2025, according to this bill, while corporations get a permanent cut.

"Dictator Obama?" It's not even worth arguing that nonsense.

Actually they say by February people will start seeing more money in their checks.
If you don't like what you are getting back extra you can send it back to the governemnt.

Somehow I doubt you or anyone else complaining about getting more of. Your dollars back will.
 
While you are correct to say that wages have been relatively flat, it is wrong to believe that this is globally true. While in the US wages might have been flat, the income of Chinese and other countries' workers' numbers and incomes have increase rapidly over the last 30 years.

Median family income rose 3.2%. Last year. That is a decent increase.
That puts it at about 59k dollars a year.
 
Yeah, the Republican tax plan is a boon to the wealthy. How about those wealthy New Yorkers, who want to move away to pay lower taxes? The solution to New York is quite simple: Raise taxes on whoever remains.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/yorks-wealthiest-threatening-mass-exodus-213717626.html

Next up, California and Hollywood moving to Mississippi.

I doubt if it's the new tax bill that is causing the wealthy to move out of New York. People and companies from New York have been moving south, my Georgia included for a long time. High New York State Taxes has been the main reason. This is nothing new. There are times I think we have more folks living in Georgia from the north than there is native Georgian's. I don't know how many transplants we have, but there is a bunch.
 
Actually, a good part of the increased spread between lowere and higher incomes probably is driven by the reduction in information related cost transferral speeds connected to computers and the internet. It allows poor populations overseas to compete for capital they require to increase their productivity. This has meant one and a half billion subsistence poor to enter the global middle class, while the income of those they were competing with no longer grew so quickly. In fact then, what should surprise you is not that the US wages have grown more slowly than before. The surprise is that they haven't fallen.

Also the rise comes in the forms of investing.

When the cd and bond rates collapsed from their 13-15% interest rates investors moved their money into stocks.
While there have been recessions in that time major gains were seen from the stock market.

Even if you invested in mutual fund the performance index historically for a mutual fund has been about 15% a year.

People in the 80s capitalized on tech stocks like Microsoft apple and ibm for a while.
They made a fortune off those stocks.
 
Actually they say by February people will start seeing more money in their checks.
If you don't like what you are getting back extra you can send it back to the governemnt.

Somehow I doubt you or anyone else complaining about getting more of. Your dollars back will.

Yes, some will get a few bucks but nothing to jolt the economy, while others will get a tax hike. See the NYT tax calculator. Just put your mouse on the grid.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html?_r=0
 
Yes, some will get a few bucks but nothing to jolt the economy, while others will get a tax hike. See the NYT tax calculator. Just put your mouse on the grid.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html?_r=0

I have CNN posted one I will be saving about 5%.
I can't wait to see it back in my pay check. You are free to send yours back.

Since you are so much against this I would expect that you would.
5% is more than just a few bucks.

I am going to be saving quite a bit. Thanks for showing me that.
I can't wait to get it back in my check. It will help my family out a great deal.

I will help you out even. Since you are so against this you can send your saving here.
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Funds Management Branch
P.O. Box 1328
Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328

This is where you can give your cut back to the government.
Again somehow I know you won't put your money where your mouth is nor will anyone else.
 
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Uh, that's a realllllllly short article.

Short on substance and facts, that is. Is it a pay site? Is that why I can only see a tiny bit of it?


New York's wealthiest are threatening a mass exodus because of the GOP tax plan

Yahoo Finance Video•December 15, 2017

Wall Street tax expert Robert Willens, president of Robert Willens LLC, has never heard more discussion from wealthy New Yorkers about relocating to another state with a more favorable tax environment until now because of the GOP tax plan.



That is literally the extent of the article that I can see.

Im not going to pretend to be the best read guy out there in regards to Trump's tax plan. And I really hate posting thkngs that can be intrepreted as me supporting Trump. But how can changes to fed taxes possibly make people move from one state to another? Maybe if they were moving out of country,,,
 
WOW. NYC is shrinking even faster than the dying city named Chicago...learned something new....

https://nypost.com/2017/04/01/people-are-fleeing-new-york-at-an-alarming-rate/

Gotta wonder what is going on the head of this mayor who just loves to spend the citizens money...and make new rules for them to follow....and the city keeps hiring more employees even as it has shrunk by about a million citizens since 2010....that is a dysfunctional city.



New York City Municipal Workers Enjoy Supplementary Welfare State | National Review

This making the affordability problem which is driving people away worse, especially if the city is shrinking in population.


NYC should become their own state. An old, small 2 bedroom apartment in an 'ok' area in Brooklyn is over $2,400 a month without utilities. A closet size room will cost that much in Manhattan. DeBlassio sucks.

But this is not new.
 
Yeah, the Republican tax plan is a boon to the wealthy. How about those wealthy New Yorkers, who want to move away to pay lower taxes? The solution to New York is quite simple: Raise taxes on whoever remains.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/yorks-wealthiest-threatening-mass-exodus-213717626.html

Next up, California and Hollywood moving to Mississippi.
NYC has made no sense for the top 5-20% (to the extent it's made sense for anybody) for years. Why live in a small 2ish bedroom apartment when you could have a 6 bedroom, 3 car garage mansion with a pool and tennis court basically anywhere else in the country? But if you are working in big law or finance, you are at the whim of the guy making $20 million a year, who can live just fine even in NYC. If this is what it takes to get some of these big firms more spread out, it would probably be a good thing.

Also because them moving will probably change more red areas purple. Look at Virginia and North Carolina, for example. Indiana, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia probably next.

First world problem, obviously, but still.
 
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Im not going to pretend to be the best read guy out there in regards to Trump's tax plan. And I really hate posting thkngs that can be intrepreted as me supporting Trump. But how can changes to fed taxes possibly make people move from one state to another? Maybe if they were moving out of country,,,

Bingo! It's being passed off as an increase in Federal taxes. It is not. It is the removal of a deduction. In the end, yes you end up paying more, but not because your FEDERAL taxes have been raised, but because your STATE taxes are high. People got dependent on the deduction of such high state taxes, so it's going to sting many. People in states with no income taxes aren't bitching up a storm from what I can tell. I'm all for State's rights and that includes the bad with the good.
 
NYC has made no sense for the top 5-20% (to the extent it's made sense for anybody) for years. Why live in a small 2ish bedroom apartment when you could have a 6 bedroom, 3 car garage mansion with a pool and tennis court basically anywhere else in the country? But if you are working in big law or finance, you are at the whim of the guy making $20 million a year, who can live just fine even in NYC. If this is what it takes to get some of these big firms more spread out, it would probably be a good thing.

Also because them moving will probably change more red areas purple. Look at Virginia and North Carolina, for example.

First world problem, obviously, but still.

You are right about that. And if you look north of NYC, to the rest of the state you can get way more for your money and stay in NY if you are so inclined. A lot of people only think of NYC when they hear NY, but it's a pretty big state :)
 
Im not going to pretend to be the best read guy out there in regards to Trump's tax plan. And I really hate posting thkngs that can be intrepreted as me supporting Trump. But how can changes to fed taxes possibly make people move from one state to another? Maybe if they were moving out of country,,,

The issue is the new limit ($10K max?) placed on the deduction of state/local taxes from your AGI. For one with income in the 33% tax bracket that means they currently enjoy a federal 33% discount on all of their state/local taxes (which are very high in some states). For someone that pays $70K in state/local taxes (and is in the 33% federal income tax bracket) that new limit on its deductibility would mean a net (federal) tax increase of about $20K.
 
I have CNN posted one I will be saving about 5%.
I can't wait to see it back in my pay check. You are free to send yours back.
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So, you fell for the bait and either don't realize or don't care that this "gift" will disappear in a few years and your taxes will rise permanently more than they decreased in 2018.
 
The issue is the new limit ($10K max?) placed on the deduction of state/local taxes from your AGI. For one with income in the 33% tax bracket that means they currently enjoy a federal 33% discount on all of their state/local taxes (which are very high in some states). For someone that pays $70K in state/local taxes (and is in the 33% federal income tax bracket) that new limit on its deductibility would mean a net (federal) tax increase of about $20K.

Alright. Makes sense. So it's not a fault of the Orange faced guy's tax plan its cause the state taxes are outrageous.

As an aside. Néed to talk to my accountant.
 
Yeah, the Republican tax plan is a boon to the wealthy. How about those wealthy New Yorkers, who want to move away to pay lower taxes? The solution to New York is quite simple: Raise taxes on whoever remains.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/yorks-wealthiest-threatening-mass-exodus-213717626.html

Next up, California and Hollywood moving to Mississippi.

NYC requires a lot of infrastructure. And the people living and working there benefit from that. In fact, if not for the city's wealth of services, they would live and work elsewhere.
 
Alright. Makes sense. So it's not a fault of the Orange faced guy's tax plan its cause the state taxes are outrageous.

As an aside. Néed to talk to my accountant.

Whatever, but some see it as "unfair" that folks in lower taxed states will no longer be forced to offer (as large of) a federal tax discount to those richer folks living in higher taxed states. The idea that one should pay more in federal taxes simply because they paid less in state/local taxes was ridiculous yet eliminating that nonsense entirely was a step too far.
 
I realize you guys are in denial about companies moving overseas due to taxes. It's easier for you to try claiming it is the cheap labor. Sure, many companies do move overseas due to cheap labor BUT many other companies also move overseas to avoid the US high tax rates.

Um...you realize this tax bill actually inventivizes companies to move overseas, right?
 
Did not realize that, please explain!!

In the future, corporations would be required to pay about a 10 percent minimum tax on overseas income above a certain level. The provision is billed as a way to discourage the movement of jobs and profit overseas. But the fine print of the new global minimum tax would make the problem worse, several tax specialists said.

“The overall effects of this are going to be unambiguously bad for the workers that it’s ostensibly designed to help,” Clausing said.

There are three reasons, according to nonpartisan tax experts. First, a corporation would pay that global minimum tax only on profit above a “routine” rate of return on the tangible assets — such as factories — it has overseas. So the more equipment a corporation has in other countries, the more tax-free income it can earn. The legislation thus offers corporations “a perverse incentive” to shift assembly lines abroad, said Steve Rosenthal of the Tax Policy Center.

Second, the bill sets the “routine” return at 10 percent — far more generous than would typically be the case. Such allowances are normally fixed a couple of percentage points above risk-free Treasury yields, which are currently around 2.4 percent.

As a result, a U.S. corporation that builds a $100 million plant in another country and makes a foreign profit of $20 million would pay roughly $1 million in tax versus $4 million on the same profit if earned in the United States, said Rosenthal, who has been a tax lawyer for 25 years and drafted tax legislation as a staffer for the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Finally, the minimum levy would be calculated on a global average rather than for individual countries where a corporation operates. So a U.S. multinational could lower its tax bill by shifting profit from U.S. locations to tax havens such as the Cayman Islands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.9e5c2b3ea1ee

As discussed in the previous piece, Trump administration economic officials argue that by lowering the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent and moving to what is called a territorial system—mainly, companies pay taxes on foreign earnings only to the foreign nation where those profits are booked and never owe anything to the U.S. no matter how low the foreign nation’s tax rate is—would lead to more jobs and profits staying in or coming back to the United States.

Yet, it is clear that a territorial system could have just the opposite impact: It could give a permanent preference to foreign income and lead companies to shift more profits to tax havens knowing that they could permanently avoid virtually all taxation on such profits. One crucial safeguard against that perverse impact is to apply a strong minimum tax on the profits of U.S. multinationals in each country (a “country-by-country” minimum tax). If a U.S. company had to pay a minimum tax of, let’s say, 19 percent (as President Obama had proposed), even if they engaged in complex tax planning to book $100 million in profits in zero-tax Bermuda, they would have to pay $19 million in U.S. taxes to ensure the 19 percent minimum tax was enforced. Under such a country-by-country minimum tax, you can run, you can shift profits to tax havens, but you cannot hide from paying a 19 percent minimum no matter where you are. Under this type of true minimum tax on foreign earnings, U.S. multinationals would have little incentive to engage in the ongoing race to the bottom.
As discussed in my previous Atlantic piece, the GOP plan was rumored to use only a 10 percent minimum tax, and to make it worse, would make the minimum tax determination based on the average of a company’s total global profits. What was problematic about this design was that it not only encouraged companies to move profits to tax havens, but it actually encouraged them to simultaneously move jobs and operations such as manufacturing to industrialized countries that had typical tax rates and to shift more profits to tax havens. Why? Because if you had $100 million of profits in Bermuda facing no tax, you might have still had to pay $10 million in U.S. taxes to meet the new global minimum tax. But if you moved a factory to Germany that made $100 million and paid 20 percent in taxes there, you could still pay zero on your profits in Bermuda because the average taxes paid on your global profits (from both Bermuda and Germany) would be the global minimum rate of 10 percent. This perverse design means the more a U.S. multinational shifts jobs and operations to industrialized nations with similar tax rates to the U.S., the more it can get away with shifting more and more profits to tax havens.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/tax-jobs-overseas/547916/
 
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