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Paying school tax on 2nd homes?

lefty louie said:
What I'm saying is, I pay a school tax within the state on 3 properties I own, the rental units could easily have children in them so I don't mind paying school taxes on them even if kids don't currently occupy the property, however taxing me twice for something is overboard. A good retort to paying the extra school tax is this. We lost our 2nd home to super storm Sandy, my insurance paid a certain amount, but FEMA gave us nothing (I'm not saying they should, but FEMA paid to every other home owner if it was their first home), because it was a 2nd home. If I can pay taxes like everyone else, why don't I get the full benefit like everyone else?
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Thats messed up about FEMA. Of course living in Florida I can see why. Lots of multi-million dollar vacation homes on the coast. FEMA inly has so many resources so makes sense they focus on a primary residence. I see the argument either way.
 
Geoist said:
Homesteaders contribute more to the local economy. 2nd/3rd homers drive urban sprawl/blight which is costly to the taxpayers. I have absolutely no problem with them paying more.
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I own several homes in the community in which I reside. I spend money in the community (I volunteer and have a seat on the city council too!). Non of them are blighted. All the increased tax does is drive up the rental price for my tenants.
 
Critter7r said:
I own several homes in the community in which I reside. I spend money in the community (I volunteer and have a seat on the city council too!). Non of them are blighted.
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Sprawl leads to urban blight. That is why suburbs continue to expand and we continue to see vacancies towards the cities.


All the increased tax does is drive up the rental price for my tenants.
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If the property tax focused away from the value of the house and towards the value of the site then the deadweight loss is lessened.

We should, however, note that a hypothetical property tax system which taxes pre-development land value and (post- development) raw site value at the same rate, and exempts (post-development) structure value from taxation, is neutral does not affect the developer's choice of development time and density...
 
Winchester said:
FEMA doesn't get any of your property tax money.
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So then why do they discriminate against me and those like me. Equal protection under the law, no?
 
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lefty louie said:
I/e own a 2nd home we use on weekends and summer vacation, we don't rent it out so there is no possible way of us ever using the school district, yet we pay about 50% of or $3,000 property tax towards the school district.

It's gotten to the point we're thinking about listing the house and spending that 6K on a summer rental for 6 weeks, we'd still save thousands over the course of a year and not have the headache of homeownership.
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If you had purchased your second home in the conservative shangri la of Somalia you would have nothing to complain about. low taxes and lots of beach front property.
 
lefty louie said:
When all the 2nd home owners sell their 2nd's there will be a housing glut and values will fall, so will tax income, I guess you'll just raise the rate? How about learn to live on less, like working people do, govt. needs to learn that a little bit better.
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When those values fall, so will prices, and home ownership will go up, thus increasing tax revenue due to increased tax sources.
 
Vern said:
If you had purchased your second home in the conservative shangri la of Somalia you would have nothing to complain about. low taxes and lots of beach front property.
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I get your sarcastic reply and raise you this, when we bought in 2002, the taxes were all of $2,200 per yr. 15 years later they are over $6,500. You tell me if something is wrong with the local/state govt.? Nothing wrong with paying a fair amount for services rendered, another for getting dragged across the hot coals.
 
lefty louie said:
What I'm saying is, I pay a school tax within the state on 3 properties I own, the rental units could easily have children in them so I don't mind paying school taxes on them even if kids don't currently occupy the property, however taxing me twice for something is overboard. A good retort to paying the extra school tax is this. We lost our 2nd home to super storm Sandy, my insurance paid a certain amount, but FEMA gave us nothing (I'm not saying they should, but FEMA paid to every other home owner if it was their first home), because it was a 2nd home. If I can pay taxes like everyone else, why don't I get the full benefit like everyone else?
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So what? You knew that when you bought them.

I don't have kids, I pay property tax. Its an investment in our future, otherwise you would have uneducated kids who grow up to think that the world is 6000 years old.

Pay your taxes or sell the property.
 
lefty louie said:
I/e own a 2nd home we use on weekends and summer vacation, we don't rent it out so there is no possible way of us ever using the school district, yet we pay about 50% of or $3,000 property tax towards the school district.

It's gotten to the point we're thinking about listing the house and spending that 6K on a summer rental for 6 weeks, we'd still save thousands over the course of a year and not have the headache of homeownership.
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So, you are wealthy enough to own a vacation home and you are complaining about the school taxes you are required to pay on it? I think you should feel grateful that you live in a country that gave you the opportunity to do well enough to own two homes -- and pay the damn taxes.
 
No I knew my taxes were $2200, figured things go up but even double would be 4400 and that would be after the area got crushed by a storm, house is worth less today but taxed at 3 X's. Seems odd to me. Um no, my kids get their education at home, and you assume a whole lot with the 6K years bit, no?

As far as pay or sell, well that's been established by me no hasn't it? Do you still think the world is 6000 years old? I might be able to help you with that. Chill will ya.
 
lefty louie said:
I get your sarcastic reply and raise you this, when we bought in 2002, the taxes were all of $2,200 per yr. 15 years later they are over $6,500. You tell me if something is wrong with the local/state govt.? Nothing wrong with paying a fair amount for services rendered, another for getting dragged across the hot coals.
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MTAtech said:
So, you are wealthy enough to own a vacation home and you are complaining about the school taxes you are required to pay on it? I think you should feel grateful that you live in a country that gave you the opportunity to do well enough to own two homes -- and pay the damn taxes.
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So I am smart enough to be able to earn more then the avg person, I'm also smart enough to invest better then the avg person, laws outlining ones behavior aren't always right. If they were viewed that way, we'd still be British subjects and would still have slaves. Being able to protest or learn about political matters is what this forum is about, perhaps if you changed your tact, I'd appreciate you more. When you lead with a quote that people that are conservative minded are stupid, well, don't expect much in the way of politeness.
 
Geoist said:
Sprawl leads to urban blight. That is why suburbs continue to expand and we continue to see vacancies towards the cities.




If the property tax focused away from the value of the house and towards the value of the site then the deadweight loss is lessened.

We should, however, note that a hypothetical property tax system which taxes pre-development land value and (post- development) raw site value at the same rate, and exempts (post-development) structure value from taxation, is neutral does not affect the developer's choice of development time and density...
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Since I own homes that were already built (in the mid 1900s or earlier, and in an historic district at that), I'm not contributing to sprawl.

The state and county need X amount of dollars to function. The county- and state-wide tax revenues would not decrease under your hypothetical tax system. It seems to me that at best it would only serve to raise the tax on vacant and/or undesireable property.

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Tanngrisnir said:
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Being taxed isn't so much the problem as it is the amount. I'm not thrilled with paying a tax on things I get zero direct benefit from, but I understand it, to a degree. That degree gets smaller the more that tax increases disproportionately to other taxes in the state. An Example would be my main residence, where over the last 15 years taxes have only gone up 20%. Compare that to 200% and there is clearly something wrong with the system or town itself.
 
Another thing that bugs me is, how my house 65'X100' gets taxed at $6500 and the guy next door with the same lot pays $5500. The reason the town gives for that, I have granite counter tops,, his dock is wood, mine is polymer, he took a closet out of 1 bed room and now gets taxed less because he has a 2 bed w an office vs. 3 bedrooms.

Why not tax everyone per lot size, not house size and fixtures?
 
lefty louie said:
No I knew my taxes were $2200, figured things go up but even double would be 4400 and that would be after the area got crushed by a storm, house is worth less today but taxed at 3 X's. Seems odd to me. Um no, my kids get their education at home, and you assume a whole lot with the 6K years bit, no?

As far as pay or sell, well that's been established by me no hasn't it? Do you still think the world is 6000 years old? I might be able to help you with that. Chill will ya.
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Boo hoo, stuff happens.

You made the conscious decision to buy more property, buck up and pay what you are responsible for.

I don't think you understood what I said about the world being 6000 years old, not worth arguing it with you.
 
lefty louie said:
So I am smart enough to be able to earn more then the avg person, I'm also smart enough to invest better then the avg person, laws outlining ones behavior aren't always right. If they were viewed that way, we'd still be British subjects and would still have slaves. Being able to protest or learn about political matters is what this forum is about, perhaps if you changed your tact, I'd appreciate you more. When you lead with a quote that people that are conservative minded are stupid, well, don't expect much in the way of politeness.
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There is no correlation between intelligence and wealth. There are MENSA members that work at the Post Office and there are many clear examples of un-smart billionaires.

On the topic, there is no reason one should have sympathy for someone who is financially above average complaining about taxes on their second house. If you don't want to pay taxes on the second house, sell it and live in one house.
 
blackjack50 said:
Oh know. What a sad story. You realize education is primarily funded by property Tax right? Even though I hate to make a “think of the children argument...” seriously? It is your money of course. Your home. Do as you please. But any property tax you pay will go to education, and what about if you don’t have kids or don’t use those schools and send your kid to private school? Does that exempt you?

You want to fix it? Figure out a better system to fund education. There really isn’t any. And it sucks.
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While understanding it does not in the current system, I do believe it should.
 
lefty louie said:
What I'm saying is, I pay a school tax within the state on 3 properties I own, the rental units could easily have children in them so I don't mind paying school taxes on them even if kids don't currently occupy the property, however taxing me twice for something is overboard. A good retort to paying the extra school tax is this. We lost our 2nd home to super storm Sandy, my insurance paid a certain amount, but FEMA gave us nothing (I'm not saying they should, but FEMA paid to every other home owner if it was their first home), because it was a 2nd home. If I can pay taxes like everyone else, why don't I get the full benefit like everyone else?
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That’s kind of how taxes work. They’re a shared burden to pay for things society has decided are needed, in this case giving everyone some level of education. I don’t have kids in the public school system - should I not pay property taxes for our public schools?

If you’re going to do that then you might as well just start charging full freight tuition and get rid of the notion that everyone should get an education.

If it helps you sleep at night think of it this way: the kid you help educate today is the kid who probably won’t won’t mug you when you’re 80.
 
Phys251 said:
You think that intelligence correlates with income?
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Do a degree it does, you need to know what is a need and what is a want.

MTAtech said:
There is no correlation between intelligence and wealth. There are MENSA members that work at the Post Office and there are many clear examples of un-smart billionaires.

On the topic, there is no reason one should have sympathy for someone who is financially above average complaining about taxes on their second house. If you don't want to pay taxes on the second house, sell it and live in one house.
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Of course smarts don't always make a person financially stable, but in my case it does. I'm not looking for sympathy, just looking to see if others agree or disagree, maybe I should ask for replies from those in my tax bracket LOL.
Winchester said:
Did you get your 1st home wiped out?
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No first home is fine, 2nd home cost me about 50K out of pocket after insurance money.

Gaius46 said:
That’s kind of how taxes work. They’re a shared burden to pay for things society has decided are needed, in this case giving everyone some level of education. I don’t have kids in the public school system - should I not pay property taxes for our public schools?

If you’re going to do that then you might as well just start charging full freight tuition and get rid of the notion that everyone should get an education.

If it helps you sleep at night think of it this way: the kid you help educate today is the kid who probably won’t won’t mug you when you’re 80.
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That isn't a bad idea, paying ones way. I have no problem paying even 10K per yr per child for an education, in 24 years I'd be paid up and out of the rat race of school fees. for 240K, the way it goes now, 6 K per year forever, by the time I'm 65 we're even at 240K, the next 20+ - years the govt is making a killing on me.
 
lefty louie said:
That isn't a bad idea, paying ones way. I have no problem paying even 10K per yr per child for an education, in 24 years I'd be paid up and out of the rat race of school fees. for 240K, the way it goes now, 6 K per year forever, by the time I'm 65 we're even at 240K, the next 20+ - years the govt is making a killing on me.
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But that doesn’t achieve the end of guaranteeing some level of education for everyone. What do you with children of the poor who cannot afford to educate their kids? Are they SOL? Uneducated kids are more likely to commit crime. There’s a cost associated with that even if you aren’t a victim yourself. Uneducated people make ****ty citizens in a free society. There is likewise a cost to that.
 
In a society that is based on free market capitalistic principles, it makes no sense to tax profits/income or private personal real property on an annual basis. Debating who and how much of income and property ought be taxed is a total waste of time. What ought to be debated is what is taxed.

I say that spending/transfer of wealth ought to be taxed.
 
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