Trump has DOW up over 24000

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

Critter7r said:
I guess our issue is how we see the recovery from the Recession. I appreciate the slow, measured recovery that didnt suddenly overheat the economy and set us up for another pull-back, which is what we have going on now with Trump. 2% growth is the goal. Trump bragging that he is going to get us up to 4%, or even 5%, is the political equivalent of, "hold mah beer, watch this", and I expect about the same outcome: a crash and burn.

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You have much lower standards than the American people who realize apparently what you didn't, Obama was an empty suit and poor leader but Obama is out of office and I thank Obama now every day for giving us Trump.

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Critter7r said:
I guess our issue is how we see the recovery from the Recession. I appreciate the slow, measured recovery that didnt suddenly overheat the economy and set us up for another pull-back, which is what we have going on now with Trump. 2% growth is the goal. Trump bragging that he is going to get us up to 4%, or even 5%, is the political equivalent of, "hold mah beer, watch this", and I expect about the same outcome: a crash and burn.

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Yep. Its going to crash and trump and the turtle will be blamed for it for there hyper partisanship.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
Republicans had control of both houses in clinton presidency for the last 6 years. Man you just like making stuff up. Enjoy the great obama bull market while it lasts. the trump tax plan will crash the economy.

LOL, so apparently Senator Tom Daschle was a Republican giving them total control of the Congress? You just cannot admit you are wrong on any subject. Republicans created the recession under Clinton because of the Republican Congress and Bush created the recession in 2007-2009 with a Democratic Congress? Liberal logic and revisionist history and partisan bull****

Critter7r · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
You have much lower standards than the American people who realize apparently what you didn't, Obama was an empty suit and poor leader but Obama is out of office and I thank Obama now every day for giving us Trump.

One man's low expectations are another man's ideal situation. I'm an even-keel kind of guy. I'd much rather see slow, sustained growth than explosive growth followed by recession.

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99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
LOL, so apparently Senator Tom Daschle was a Republican giving them total control of the Congress? You just cannot admit you are wrong on any subject. Republicans created the recession under Clinton because of the Republican Congress and Bush created the recession in 2007-2009 with a Democratic Congress? Liberal logic and revisionist history and partisan bull****

Tom daschle wasn't majority leader until june 2001. After bush and the gop collapsed the economy in march 2001. You can't win an argument so I guess you have resorted to just blatantly making stuff up.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
Yep. Its going to crash and trump and the turtle will be blamed for it for there hyper partisanship.

Wow all that gloom and doom rhetoric from a radical who sincerely hopes the country crashes and burns so you can do what previous liberals were unable to do, create that wonderful liberal utopia where everyone has equal outcome and the world loves us so we all can sing kumbaya and live happily ever after with a massive central govt. providing all that you want

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
Tom daschle wasn't majority leader until june 2001. After bush and the gop collapsed the economy in march 2001. You can't win an argument so I guess you have resorted to just blatantly making stuff up.

Which means the Republicans didn't have total control of the Congress, now doesn't it? Is June 2001 before or after the recession began in March? WOW, liberalism sure has a patsy

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
Which means the Republicans didn't have total control of the Congress, now doesn't it? Is June 2001 before or after the recession began in March? WOW, liberalism sure has a patsy

After. the recession is on the GOP. They had control of both chambers and the presidency when bush collapsed the economy in march 2001. I am a conservative btw.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
After. the recession is on the GOP. They had control of both chambers and the presidency when bush collapsed the economy in march 2001. I am a conservative btw.

Absolutely stunning revisionist history, Bush by the fact that he was elected, had no economic policies in place collapsed the economy? Brilliant and you wonder why liberals lose elections? Conservative my ass

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
Absolutely stunning revisionist history, Bush by the fact that he was elected, had no economic policies in place collapsed the economy? Brilliant and you wonder why liberals lose elections? Conservative my ass

Yep. You are indeed not a conservative since you support anyone with an R next to his name. Bush collapsed the economy twice and you are still defending him. What is it about Bush's incompetence that demands this kind of loyalty from you?

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
Wow all that gloom and doom rhetoric from a radical who sincerely hopes the country crashes and burns so you can do what previous liberals were unable to do, create that wonderful liberal utopia where everyone has equal outcome and the world loves us so we all can sing kumbaya and live happily ever after with a massive central govt. providing all that you want

LOL. remember when republicans wanted obama to fail?

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
LOL. remember when republicans wanted obama to fail?

Obama did fail as the results show. There was no statement made like that until after his failed stimulus. The American people got it, when will you? Thank you Obama for a GOP Congress and Trump. Results matter except to people like you and results in context

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
Obama did fail as the results show. There was no statement made like that until after his failed stimulus. The American people got it, when will you? Thank you Obama for a GOP Congress and Trump. Results matter except to people like you and results in context

The stimulus succeeded. The great obama bull market you see right now is because of the stimulus. Careful about saying obama failed. Bush failed and is the worst president in us history.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
The stimulus succeeded. The great obama bull market you see right now is because of the stimulus. Careful about saying obama failed. Bush failed and is the worst president in us history.

Absolutely stunning success for shovel ready jobs, guess those shovels were late in arriving but Obama's so called bull market pales to what Trump has accomplished this year so thank you Obama for Trump!!

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2007 to 2017

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2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439 154345 153861 153918

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
Absolutely stunning success for shovel ready jobs, guess those shovels were late in arriving but Obama's so called bull market pales to what Trump has accomplished this year so thank you Obama for Trump!!

Bush caused a decade long recession and obama ended it in two. You can't get any better than that.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
Bush caused a decade long recession and obama ended it in two. You can't get any better than that.

That of course is why we have Democratic Congress and President Hillary today. Thank you, President Obama!!

99percenter · Dec 23, 2017

Conservative said:
That of course is why we have Democratic Congress and President Hillary today. Thank you, President Obama!!

Hillary was just a bad candidate. Even I didnt vote for her. If Biden ran he would have won.

Conservative · Dec 23, 2017

99percenter said:
Hillary was just a bad candidate. Even I didnt vote for her. If Biden ran he would have won.

Of course as you are never wrong on any issue, didn't realize that Hillary ran for all those Congressional elections all over the country as well. thanks for educating me and it really is great seeing how successful the Obama record and legacy were.

Critter7r · Dec 26, 2017

Conservative said:
Absolutely stunning success for shovel ready jobs, guess those shovels were late in arriving but Obama's so called bull market pales to what Trump has accomplished this year so thank you Obama for Trump!!

2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439 154345 153861 153918

I'll lay something out for you and see how big your knee-jerk reaction is ...

You say Bush isn't responsible for the recession that started 3 months into his presidency because he was left with the economic policies of Clinton. And I don't entirely disagree with that, keeping in mind that the Republicans had control of Congress for the last 6 years of Clinton's presidency.

So let's say that an incoming president doesn't have any control over the economy for say, his first 12 months until he can get his people and policies in place. That makes Obama responsible for the employment numbers from about January of 2010 (because Obama couldn't control those first 12 months in 2009, and the country was running on the policies left to us by Bush's admin), to December of 2017 (Because Trump couldn't control those first 12 months in 2017, and the country was running on the policies left to us by Obama's admin).

I'm guessing you won't agree with any of that, even though you've argued for the Bush premise that I began with.

Conservative · Dec 26, 2017

Critter7r said:
I'll lay something out for you and see how big your knee-jerk reaction is ...

You say Bush isn't responsible for the recession that started 3 months into his presidency because he was left with the economic policies of Clinton. And I don't entirely disagree with that, keeping in mind that the Republicans had control of Congress for the last 6 years of Clinton's presidency.

So let's say that an incoming president doesn't have any control over the economy for say, his first 12 months until he can get his people and policies in place. That makes Obama responsible for the employment numbers from about January of 2010 (because Obama couldn't control those first 12 months in 2009, and the country was running on the policies left to us by Bush's admin), to December of 2017 (Because Trump couldn't control those first 12 months in 2017, and the country was running on the policies left to us by Obama's admin).

I'm guessing you won't agree with any of that, even though you've argued for the Bush premise that I began with.

Except Obama was part of the Democratic controlled Congress and his stimulus was signed February 2009. TARP was October 2008 and re-capitalized the banks. Bush had no luxury like that winning a contested election. Bush's policy was passed in July then 9/11

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99percenter · Dec 26, 2017

Conservative said:
Except Obama was part of the Democratic controlled Congress and his stimulus was signed February 2009. TARP was October 2008 and re-capitalized the banks. Bush had no luxury like that winning a contested election. Bush's policy was passed in July then 9/11

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Obama passed a stimulus that ended the recession 4 month later. Bush meanwhile caused two recessions.

Critter7r · Dec 26, 2017

Conservative said:
Except Obama was part of the Democratic controlled Congress and his stimulus was signed February 2009. TARP was October 2008 and re-capitalized the banks. Bush had no luxury like that winning a contested election. Bush's policy was passed in July then 9/11

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I'm pretty sure Obama didn't have much to do with the creation of the stimulus bill he signed less than a month into his presidency.

But it's good to know that you don't disagree with the premise that a president doesn't really have much control over the economy for the first several months that he is in office.

Threegoofs · Dec 26, 2017

Critter7r said:
I'm pretty sure Obama didn't have much to do with the creation of the stimulus bill he signed less than a month into his presidency.

But it's good to know that you don't disagree with the premise that a president doesn't really have much control over the economy for the first several months that he is in office.

Obama directed the stimulus bill, and called for it to be ready for signing after his inauguration

99percenter · Dec 26, 2017

Threegoofs said:
Obama directed the stimulus bill, and called for it to be ready for signing after his inauguration

Yep. And it ended the bush recession.

Conservative · Dec 26, 2017

Critter7r said:
I'm pretty sure Obama didn't have much to do with the creation of the stimulus bill he signed less than a month into his presidency.

But it's good to know that you don't disagree with the premise that a president doesn't really have much control over the economy for the first several months that he is in office.

Then you don't understand civics at all. It was a Democratic Stimulus bill, it was for shovel ready jobs and I have posted over and over again the results and still you believe the rhetoric from the radical left. Some people just simply refuse to admit they are wrong

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