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Fenton Lum said:
Not when the aristocracy uses society's/the public's money, this is how we float our aristocracy.
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most of it is actually the wealthy's money
 
Kushinator said:
Which is why it's ever so important to not only maintain our comparative advantage of human capital, but to build on it.
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yeah I agree with that. we have to have a better quality of labor because we cannot compete at the high quantity, low skilled market
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah the people who want more and more government but don't want to pay for it aren't greedy? LOL
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You can't get blood out of stones. That is always the problem of the wealthy. You are the one who does not want to pay.
 
Kushinator said:
Which is why it's ever so important to not only maintain our comparative advantage of human capital, but to build on it.
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The only interest afoot among the gilded class in america is to further extract and concentrate societal wealth and power away from the people over time.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah I agree with that. we have to have a better quality of labor because we cannot compete at the high quantity, low skilled market
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A race to the bottom in human exploitation and sacrifice to serve the donor class.
 
LesGovt said:
You did not go back and read. Oh well.
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I reread our entire exchange. In which of your posts do you claim that you presented verifiable evidence supporting your own personal pontifications?
 
TurtleDude said:
I am pointing out that the house of cards cannot continue forever. As Dame Thatcher correctly noted, socialism fails when you run out of other peoples' money.
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But you always seem to forget that capitalism fails when the masses run out of money. That is what you should be worrying about.
 
iguanaman said:
But you always seem to forget that capitalism fails when the masses run out of money. That is what you should be worrying about.
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Odd isn't it, some cheer on their own preferred system's inevitable demise.
 
Fenton Lum said:
The only interest afoot among the gilded class in america is to further extract and concentrate societal wealth and power away from the people over time.
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And you wonder what the tipping point will be for the rest of us? How long will we simply put up with a very tiny percentage of people controlling and owning so much while so many have so little? Its a powder keg and a recipe for complete disaster and history shows us sooner of later the fuse is lit.
 
iguanaman said:
But you always seem to forget that capitalism fails when the masses run out of money. That is what you should be worrying about.
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I am pointing out that the house of cards cannot continue forever.

This is exactly the point that escapes him, his house of cards cannot continue forever as is.
 
haymarket said:
And you wonder what the tipping point will be for the rest of us? How long will we simply put up with a very tiny percentage of people controlling and owning so much while so many have so little? Its a powder keg and a recipe for complete disaster and history shows us sooner of later the fuse is lit.
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It wouldn't take all that though, all it takes is for some critical mass of the working public to simply cease cooperating and participating in an economic system set up to exploit them. A daily regimen of "today I will not enable the grand lie, but will call out the lie at every opportunity".
 
iguanaman said:
You can't get blood out of stones. That is always the problem of the wealthy. You are the one who does not want to pay.
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the problem is-the poor, when they vote, vote for more stuff that they want someone else to pay for. If they start getting more feedback about the cost of government, they might stop clamoring for more and more handouts
 
iguanaman said:
But you always seem to forget that capitalism fails when the masses run out of money. That is what you should be worrying about.
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the masses have to stop breeding at the rates they do now. that is one of the biggest problems we have
 
iguanaman said:
And they will spend any amount of money to help kill their golden goose too.
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It is once again that season is it not. Imagine if say some 30-50% of the population said ya know what? Let's celebrate the Tgiving, christmas, new year season this year by focusing only on our connection to humanity and each other. Skip the gift buying that props up the mass consumption retail industry and the "job creator" class. Focus on family, Christ, the people, humanity, those without. Skip the circus. Leave the TV off. Donate time to a worhty cause that helps those of us who need help. Simply unplug fron the mass consumption insanity the the manufactured anxiety the system foments.
 
Fenton Lum said:
It wouldn't take all that though, all it takes is for some critical mass of the working public to simply cease cooperating and participating in an economic system set up to exploit them. A daily regimen of "today I will not enable the grand lie, but will call out the lie at every opportunity".
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Agreed..... and I wonder what it takes and when for that critical mass to be achieved? We were close to that in 32 and FDR saved capitalism in America with his half a loaf solutions.

I wonder if the same half a loaf of bread solutions would be acceptable if a crisis like that hits again or will we finally demand to own the damn bakery.
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem is-the poor, when they vote, vote for more stuff that they want someone else to pay for. If they start getting more feedback about the cost of government, they might stop clamoring for more and more handouts
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The only "feedback" the poor need is in their paychecks. That is what you need to grasp. The less they get paid the more "help" they will require.
 
TurtleDude said:
the masses have to stop breeding at the rates they do now. that is one of the biggest problems we have
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When the only defense any economic system has is "it's those little people with no power, sway, or say who are the problem with the system"?

Your system is corrupt.
 
iguanaman said:
The only "feedback" the poor need is in their paychecks. That is what you need to grasp. The less they get paid the more "help" they will require.
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Well see that's why you steer your employees toward public assistance like Walmart does for example, so that the public can subsidize the employees the busness owners will not.
 
iguanaman said:
The only "feedback" the poor need is in their paychecks. That is what you need to grasp. The less they get paid the more "help" they will require.
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yes, if you want them to keep voting for dependency. if you want them to stop being dependent and stop voting for the pushers, then they need to feel the pinch when the government spends more
 
haymarket said:
Agreed..... and I wonder what it takes and when for that critical mass to be achieved? We were close to that in 32 and FDR saved capitalism in America with his half a loaf solutions.

I wonder if the same half a loaf of bread solutions would be acceptable if a crisis like that hits again or will we finally demand to own the damn bakery.
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Ah yes, but the "capitalists" fixed all that. Post that, the ability of the people to organize like concentrated power and wealth organizes was systematically dismantled over time. By design. There were also many more organized groups of citizens at that time applying pressure on power. It will take a rebirth of the people uniting, but the lift is a heavier lift now. Concentrated corporate power and wealth has basically taken over the govt, the media machine, the legal system and the economic system. There is no political solution to any of this working within the confines of the system itself which is designed to pretect and serve those in power. It is sheer folly to beseach your oppressor to please stop oppressing me for your own benefit.
 
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TurtleDude said:
yes, if you want them to keep voting for dependency. if you want them to stop being dependent and stop voting for the pushers, then they need to feel the pinch when the government spends more
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Workers sharing in the fruits of the revenue they generate for the master is not dependency. What foretold the demise of american style capitalism was when the “job creator” class destroyed the link between the productivity of the american worker and the compensation of the american worker. Without the restoration of that link in your beloved economic system? Your version of "capitalism" will eat itself. Watch.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Workers sharing in the fruits of the revenue they generate for the master is not dependency. What foretold the demise of american style capitalism was when the “job creator” class destroyed the link between the productivity of the american worker and the compensation of the american worker. Without the restoration of that link in your beloved economic system? Your version of "capitalism" will eat itself. Watch.
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still haven't figured out labor is commodity and company that pays too much for it compared to its competitors is gonna fail
 
TurtleDude said:
I am pointing out that the house of cards cannot continue forever. As Dame Thatcher correctly noted, socialism fails when you run out of other peoples' money.
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LOL, I hope you're not hurting your back moving those goals posts....

And your comment is just completely divorced from reality. There has never been a time in U.S. history, perhaps world history, when the wealthy commanded a larger share of income or held a greater share of net worth. Corporate profits are close to all time highs as a share of GDP. The middle class and poor have gone decades with income lagging every measure that traditionally led income higher - productivity or GDP growth.

So your premise is for this economy to be sustainable, the path forward is for the wealthy to command even more income and wealth and for the poor to suffer MORE. What kind of data can you use to support this premise?

FWIW, 20th and 21st century world history also tells us governments often fail, and sometimes lots of people like you die, are killed, when government serves only the interests of the wealthy and collectively says to the poor, "F you."
 
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