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    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Just perception, based on observation, but... I suspect that the right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need, and yet the left would still complain if by chance the wealthy someone got some small benefit, too.

    Lower/middle class get what it needs, left's response is: " ZOMG! More tax cuts for the wealthy! This is so unfair!"
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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Just perception, based on observation, but... I suspect that the right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need, and yet the left would still complain if by chance the wealthy someone got some small benefit, too.

    Lower/middle class get what it needs, left's response is: " ZOMG! More tax cuts for the wealthy! This is so unfair!"
    It's a bit like those "You may have just won a zillion dollars" ads that come in the junk mail. After a while, you just don't believe them any more.


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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Just perception, based on observation, but... I suspect that the right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need, and yet the left would still complain if by chance the wealthy someone got some small benefit, too.

    Lower/middle class get what it needs, left's response is: " ZOMG! More tax cuts for the wealthy! This is so unfair!"
    I am not sure it has anything to do with close-mindedness.I think it has to do with the fact that the programs they want requires a **** load of tax money.The tax cuts republicans want would mean that those programs either get reduced or cut.
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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    I think we would need a plan that is good for the middle class and poor first. There is a lot of truth to the fact that most Democrats would oppose tax cuts generally, because of the price of programs, but if there was a truly beneficial tax plan being pushed by Republicans it would be interesting to see how things fell. The ideas Republicans are pushing now are just atrocious, and the response by Democrats is proportional in my opinion.

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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Just perception, based on observation, but... I suspect that the right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need, and yet the left would still complain if by chance the wealthy someone got some small benefit, too.

    Lower/middle class get what it needs, left's response is: " ZOMG! More tax cuts for the wealthy! This is so unfair!"
    The democrats were completely happy with Obama's moribund economy and the shrinking of the middle class, and millions of illegals waltzing in to the job market offering to work for less, and the nations debt climbing to record levels. For business, he stuck a thumb in their eye by wrapping them in regulations until they gave up and hid.

    True, Obama inherited a tough hand. But he had a choice to make: Social change or economic rescue. He chose social change through demographic change and the destruction of the American identity as a diverse group of people, to tribes within a jungle.

    Why?

    And why are they against a republican tax plan that promises to be a job creator, and a benefit to all workers.

    Class warfare of the Obama years brought pain and suffering to the middle class, make the rich richer, and didn't help the poor one bit.

    Democrats don't want economic success except "their way", which has been proven not to work.
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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not sure it has anything to do with close-mindedness.I think it has to do with the fact that the programs they want requires a **** load of tax money.The tax cuts republicans want would mean that those programs either get reduced or cut.
    "Close minded" was for lack of a better term "Hypocrisy", I felt, didn't fit at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    I think we would need a plan that is good for the middle class and poor first. There is a lot of truth to the fact that most Democrats would oppose tax cuts generally, because of the price of programs, but if there was a truly beneficial tax plan being pushed by Republicans it would be interesting to see how things fell. The ideas Republicans are pushing now are just atrocious, and the response by Democrats is proportional in my opinion.
    Agreed. My thread is intended to be more theoretical. Any meaningful tax reform will probably benefit the wealthy to some degree, also, I think that's unavoidable, but many on the left wouldn't want to hear of it. I honestly believe that many on the left have become so blinded with their obsession of the wealthy that it's become really more about punishing the wealthy than it is helping the non-wealthy.

    ETA: This goes back pre-Trump, btw.
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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Just perception, based on observation, but... I suspect that the right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need, and yet the left would still complain if by chance the wealthy someone got some small benefit, too.

    Lower/middle class get what it needs, left's response is: " ZOMG! More tax cuts for the wealthy! This is so unfair!"
    Yes, the "....right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform that would be of great benefit to the middle class and the poor, give them virtually everything they want and need...", but they didn't.

    It might have helped had they actually employed a process that included the democrats and hearings, but they didn't. It might help if they listened to the American people who are against their plan, but they don't. If they want to have a middle class tax cut, it might have helped if substantially all of the benefit was for the middle, but that isn't the case. It gets no chance because it is a bad product from a bad process developed with bad intentions (its more important to pass something, then the right thing).

    At the very least, this is sloppy legislation that accomplishes nothing BUT to give tax breaks that we can afford (we are in deficit AND looking at a war) to people that do not need them. The middle class does not really get much of a tax cut (less than 1% added to take home for the lower 50% vs. 3% added to take home for the upper quartile).... with some getting a cut and others facing a tax increase. this is an AWFUL bill that will likely do serious economic damage (further exasperate wealth disparity and drive bigger deficits). Had this thing actually held hearings and received input from actual economists that could attest to its benefit, it might have had a chance. But that didn't happen.

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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes, the "right could come up with the most awesome tax cut and reform...", but they didn't. It might have helped had they actually employed a process that included the democrats and hearings, but they didn't. It might help if they listened to the American people who are against their plan, but they don't. If they want to have a middle class tax cut, it might have helped if substantially all of the benefit was for the middle, but that isn't the case. It gets no chance because it is a bad product from a bad process developed for bad intentions.

    At the very least, this is sloppy legislation that accomplishes nothing BUT to give tax breaks that we can afford (we are in deficit AND looking at a war) to people that do not need them. The middle class does not really get much of a tax cut (less than 1% added to take home for the lower 50% vs. 3% added to take home for the upper quartile).... with some getting a cut and others facing a tax increase. this is an AWFUL bill that will likely do serious economic damage (further exasperate wealth disparity and drive bigger deficits).

    You are trying to dress the town slut in virgin white.
    Please read the second part of post #7.
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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Please read the second part of post #7.
    Post 7 is my post... please clarify....

    If I am not clear, my point is this is a bad bill (by not being a good bill) for the middle class. Its a gross misnomer to suggest this helps the middle class.

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    Re: Tax cuts: close-mindedness from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Post 7 is my post... please clarify....

    If I am not clear, my point is this is a bad bill (by not being a good bill) for the middle class. Its a gross misnomer to suggest this helps the middle class.
    Post 6, my apologies.

    Anyway, the fact that you zeroed in on Trump/Reps and current events, even though none of that is mentioned or even implied in the OP, suggests that you are one of these people of which I speak.
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