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Trump on Puerto Rico

Fenton said:
Exploting and politicizing a natural disaster and the suffering that stems from it ?
Just shows you how low the Left will go to slam Trump or any other Politician for that matter.
They have absolutely no standards, but then wonder why they keep losing elections.
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No the problem with Puerto Rico is that it is filled with Puerto Ricans.
 
Rexedgar said:
No the problem with Puerto Rico is that it is filled with Puerto Ricans.
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No the problem is Puerto Rico was poorly prepared on so many levels for dealing with the consequences of getting hit head on by a Cat 5 Huricane.

Decades of mismanagment created massive debt and infrastructure that was already in poor condition for example.

Puerto Rico has a population thats smaller than Houstons, but managed to acrue over 70 Billion dollars in debt and over 50 billion dollars in unfunded pension liabillities

How in the hell ?
 
Fletch said:
Do you always answer questions with a question?
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No I don't. I'm trying to get a better handle on how much you know about dealing with natural disasters since you seem to be accusing people of being lazy key part warriors in a passive aggressive way. I figured it might be because you've experienced disasters and have been involved in disaster relief yourself. Just wanted to make sure

I've seen 2 hurricanes now in less than a year. The government really can't do much physically. They don't have magical trleporters and technology that can surpass destroyed infrastructure. When you're in a disaster waiting and helping each other than are closer together is the best you can do.

Puerto Rico was always going to struggle more than mainland. It's unfortunate but that's the reality.
 
Fenton said:
No the problem is Puerto Rico was poorly prepared on so many levels for dealing with the consequences of getting hit head on by a Cat 5 Huricane.

Decades of mismanagment created massive debt and infrastructure that was already in poor condition for example.

Puerto Rico has a population thats smaller than Houstons, but managed to acrue over 70 Billion dollars in debt and over 50 billion dollars in unfunded pension liabillities

How in the hell ?
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This is the first time I have ever heard about a locality’s debt in the same sentence regarding what will be done as far as that locality’s relief from a natural disaster.......
 
Rexedgar said:
This is the first time I have ever heard about a locality’s debt in the same sentence regarding what will be done as far as that locality’s relief from a natural disaster.......
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Now thats strange, because poor or failing infrastructure is one of the primary consequences of massive debt

Think Detroit, or Flint or even California.

Puerto Rico was essentially bankrupt before the Hurricane and their infrastructure was in bad shape so I dont understand why you or anyone else wouldnt come to the obvious conclusion that Puerto Rico's debt made them highly vulnerable to natural disasters
 
Fenton said:
Now thats strange, because poor or failing infrastructure is one of the primary consequences of massive debt

Think Detroit, or Flint or even California.

Puerto Rico was essentially bankrupt before the Hurricane and their infrastructure was in bad shape so I dont understand why you or anyone else wouldnt come to the obvious conclusion that Puerto Rico's debt made them highly vulnerable to natural disasters
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Their failing government has spent all year begging the States to let it become a State. I'm not surprised that some of them are so upset at the moment.

That said, a lot of the back and forth is being fueled by the media. They're making it worse than it is.
 
Rexedgar said:
Details are a little sketchy. But Trump and the Administration doesn't seem to be nearly as concerned with the plight of the Puerto Rican population as opposed to the mainland areas. No mention was made of any debts owed by Texas (Houston), Florida (west coast) and Louisiana (Katrina). But players in pro sports kneeling that sure is Twitter worthy?
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Puerto Rican's speak Spanish and can't vote for Trump. Ergo, no tangible reward in this for Trump.
 
Fenton said:
No the problem is Puerto Rico was poorly prepared on so many levels for dealing with the consequences of getting hit head on by a Cat 5 Huricane.

Decades of mismanagment created massive debt and infrastructure that was already in poor condition for example.

Puerto Rico has a population thats smaller than Houstons, but managed to acrue over 70 Billion dollars in debt and over 50 billion dollars in unfunded pension liabillities

How in the hell ?
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Socialism failed.
 
Rexedgar said:
Ok if they had had all the upgrades and maintenance, think the hurricane would have veered off? They'd be in the same condition.
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Not necessarily. If you look at Florida. A large reason there was not nearly as much damage as their could have been is the zoning and building laws that were put into place after Andrew. Of course, that costs money, and money is not something that Island economies have.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Puerto Rican's speak Spanish and can't vote for Trump. Ergo, no tangible reward in this for Trump.
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False narrative. Then why did Trump's FEMA help Houston, Miami and all other democratic cities that voted against Trump?

Politically, it would have been in his favor to go above and beyond in PR. The goods are stuck at port because local administration didn't get their act in gear and the drivers have not reported to work.
 
Blissfully Free said:
False narrative. Then why did Trump's FEMA help Houston, Miami and all other democratic cities that voted against Trump?

Politically, it would have been in his favor to go above and beyond in PR. The goods are stuck at port because local administration didn't get their act in gear and the drivers have not reported to work.
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The mayor of San Juan has refused to head to the FEMA command center to coordinate efforts and work with them. Does that sound like someone who is trying to get things done or someone who is trying to take advantage of the crisis?
 
OpportunityCost said:
The mayor of San Juan has refused to head to the FEMA command center to coordinate efforts and work with them. Does that sound like someone who is trying to get things done or someone who is trying to take advantage of the crisis?
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And then there's pictures like these:

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Lots of supplies. How are they dying if not because of local government incompetence to get these supplies to people ...

The narrative should be dead ... but I wonder if people are literally blind?
 
Blissfully Free said:
And then there's pictures like these:

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Lots of supplies. How are they dying if not because of local government incompetence to get these supplies to people ...

The narrative should be dead ... but I wonder if people are literally blind?
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That's enough water for a 100 people for an hour. Not 100,000 for a week :roll:
 
calamity said:
That's enough water for a 100 people for an hour. Not 100,000 for a week :roll:
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The context here is, that there is ample evidence now that they don't have drivers to transport goods to people because their drivers never showed up to work. The company responsible for distribution is now flying in more drivers. This is a failure of local government and local management. Nothing to do with FEMA. The local government shelters should also already be stocked. People should also be stocked. I've been through a couple of hurricanes and we have checklists we go through to prepare for a worst case scenario so we don't die.

BTW, with regards to your comment, when you go grocery shopping, do you buy more than you can fit into your car? If you need more than you can fit into your car, you go back, or ask someone else to pick it up.

This is an operation that lasts weeks. You don't get everything in a single day.
 
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Blissfully Free said:
The context here is, that there is ample evidence now that they don't have drivers to transport goods to people because their drivers never showed up to work. The company responsible for distribution is now flying in more drivers. This is a failure of local government and local management. Nothing to do with FEMA.

BTW, with regards to your comment, when you go grocery shopping, do you buy more than you can fit into your car? If you need more than you can fit into your car, you go back, or ask someone else to pick it up.

This is an operation that lasts weeks. You don't get everything in a single day.
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'Trump's Katrina?' No, it's much worse (opinion) - CNN
 
Blissfully Free said:
That doesn't address nor counter anything I posted. Meanwhile, you have people on the ground as well as other mayors and the governors all praising the FEMA efforts.

Edit: I may have posted something that is not verified, so I'm taking it back.
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Sure it does. It basically says that instead of golfing and tweeting hateful crap at the mayor, Trump should lead the effort to get boots on the ground to deliver water to the people.
 
calamity said:
Sure it does. It basically says that instead of golfing and tweeting hateful crap at the mayor, Trump should lead the effort to get boots on the ground to deliver water to the people.
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Nope. That doesn't address the supply chain issues created by inept local governments. FEMA did a great job in Texas and Florida. They have a proven record.
 
apdst said:
Socialism failed.
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Socialism? In an American colony? No wonder all those American citizens are getting second-class status.
 
Blissfully Free said:
False narrative. Then why did Trump's FEMA help Houston, Miami and all other democratic cities that voted against Trump?

Politically, it would have been in his favor to go above and beyond in PR. The goods are stuck at port because local administration didn't get their act in gear and the drivers have not reported to work.
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Because they're allowed to vote? And Puerto Ricans can't, so they have nothing to offer.
 
Grand Mal said:
Because they're allowed to vote? And Puerto Ricans can't, so they have nothing to offer.
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So how come no complaints or issues out of the US Virgin Islands. They seem to be recovering just fine and also handling the adversity just as well as us Floridians and Texans.

False narratives are false.
 
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