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Teen-Pregnancy Subsidy Panic

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Um, actually teen pregnancy is at a record low and teens are waiting longer to have sex now.

But whatever, facts don't matter, right?
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It is still far greater than when I was young.
 
JayDubya said:
It's absurd that you think that is the responsibility of the state.
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Do you want effective sex education that actually decreases teen pregnancy and actually educates children because that is how you do it. Schools could at least not actively lie to them.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The biggest problem I see is teens and even adults, is thinking contraceptives are more effective than they really are.

Proper teaching is not being done.
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Um...hence the idea...of trying different sex ed programs...and then evaluating....to see what is and is not effective.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um...hence the idea...of trying different sex ed programs...and then evaluating....to see what is and is not effective.
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Yes, fifty states with as many as fifty different approaches, and others will choose from the most effective.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, fifty states with as many as fifty different approaches, and others will choose from the most effective.
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Alrighty....yer not really going to get involved with the OP or my post which was in response to the OP....which you quoted. This thread is discussing " the Obama Administration’s Teen Pregnancy Prevention Program".

Protip: Make yerself familiar with the topic before you post.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Absolutely true. However, almost all the teens are surprised when they do get pregnant. They didn't think they could when using them.

You know, there was a time in society that kids rarely had kids. It was a social stigma, and very few took the chances of having sex until they married. Today, irresponsibility runs rampant.
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The bold... hogwash. It was just hidden much better back "in the old days" and we did not have the internets and mass communication.

Ever wonder why so many girls became nuns? Well...
Ever wonder why so many children were born under 9 months after marriage?
Ever think that birth records back then were regularly manipulated?

My father was into genealogy big time and traced my family back to the 12th century. Lets put it this way... there was a lot of inconsistencies with birth records and marriage records. Now you could accuse me of it being only my family... well....

Ever seen "who do you think you are"? Where famous people go back in time looking at their families? Well lots of those families as well had "dark secrets" about sexual conduct outside marriage and children from that. One example was one famous person, who had a great great great grand mother who had at least 2 children outside marriage. She was not punished for this, because she could prove that the first one was due to the man promising to marry her, but then leaving her for another woman, so the church forgave her and she was not stigmatised. She then had a 2nd kid outside marriage and again she was forgiven because of the circumstances.

Basically people were as slutty back then as they are now but the consequences were better hidden by society than now.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh, yeah and this...

"no credit is owed to these HHS programs, which reach fewer than 1% of American teenagers."

US teen population (10-19) is 41M, according to the NYT article, these programs reached "more than a million teens", so I don't know how yer opinion piece made its calculation.
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But if it were a million teens over the course of a number of years it would be feasible, since a million is still only 2.5% of 41 million.
 
Critter7r said:
But if it were a million teens over the course of a number of years it would be feasible, since a million is still only 2.5% of 41 million.
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what would be "feasible"? The point of the editorial did concern the period when the programs were being run.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
what would be "feasible"? The point of the editorial did concern the period when the programs were being run.
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The method of tallying that million students may have included counting a single student more than once if they were reached by more than one program. i.e. a single student attends a program in 6th grade, and a different program in 9th grade. One side counts it as 2 programs being administered, while the other side counts it only as a single student receiving instruction.
 
Critter7r said:
The method of tallying that million students may have included counting a single student more than once if they were reached by more than one program. i.e. a single student attends a program in 6th grade, and a different program in 9th grade. One side counts it as 2 programs being administered, while the other side counts it only as a single student receiving instruction.
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Um, has the editorial shown its math? No.

The NYT made a plural reference.

Yer getting a bit in the weeds.
 
Carjosse said:
It wouldn't be an issue if states actually fulfilled their responsibility and taught proper sex education.
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that isn't the job of the state.
 
ludin said:
that isn't the job of the state.
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It wouldn't have to be if parents always taught their kids adequate sex education but that is simply not the case.
 
cuban smokes said:
the conservative GOP does not desire to educate folks on sex, or other taboo subjects

why educate the natives when you can create chaos via a dumbed down mass of uneducated peons & drive the GOP social engineering schemes upon the poor?
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..and the stupid strawman crap starts.
 
Carjosse said:
It wouldn't have to be if parents always taught their kids adequate sex education but that is simply not the case.
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then that is the fault of parenting.
 
ludin said:
then that is the fault of parenting.
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So society should not take steps to ensure that children have adequate sex education and just live with the consequences?
 
Carjosse said:
It wouldn't be an issue if states actually fulfilled their responsibility and taught proper sex education.
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You don't suppose parents know about sex?
 
joG said:
You don't suppose parents know about sex?
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No I don't think most parents can teach effective sex education, their knowledge is more often than not is outdated, misinformed, or even outright malicious lies. Do you trust religious people in the Bible belt to adequately teach their children about sex or parents in their 50s to know about healthy sexuality?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh, yeah and this...

"no credit is owed to these HHS programs, which reach fewer than 1% of American teenagers."

US teen population (10-19) is 41M, according to the NYT article, these programs reached "more than a million teens", so I don't know how yer opinion piece made its calculation.
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Is that the best you got, it wasn't 1% it was 2.5%? That is the great success? That justifies the tax dollars spent on these programs? Or should we find a better way to use it to get better results?
 
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