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The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.[W:409]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ataraxia said:
Dude, relax. Take a deep breath. What are you talking about? Have public schools made people lazy and irresponsible? Have fire and police departments made people lazy and irresponsible? No. It's what modern civil societies do. It reminds me of some people I have talked to have said they will refuse to wipe their own behinds because any attempt to make things better is reaching for utopia and so is liberal fascism. LOL. Forget utopia. Wipe your behind already.
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If you are going to use public schools as a mandate for any socialist program happen to want then forget the public schools and let parents pay for their childrens education out of their own pocket.

You can't have it both ways

If its all or nothing then you get nothing
 
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Common Sense 1 said:
Very short term memory? The republican party has run against Obamacare for the last 7 years. Long before Trump or the 2016 election.
Your insane hate of Trump has blinded you to the fiasco called Obamacare!
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well, I can say without ANY reservation that you picked the WRONG user name because your post is completely void of ANY common sense

I did not say a single ****ing word about, "Obamacare"
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

JamesBY said:
Did the US sign it? Approve it?
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It doesn't matter

The UN has no legal authority over the United States
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Mac77 said:
If you are going to use public schools as a mandate for any socialist program happen to want then forget the public schools and let parents pay for their childrens education out of their own pocket. You can't have it both ways If its all or nothing then you get nothing
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It is not all or nothing. Your fail is that you don't understand what is socialism. Whatever government does is not automatically socialism.
 
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JamesBY said:
It is not all or nothing. Your fail is that you don't understand what is socialism. Whatever government does is not automatically socialism.
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I understand the practical limits of socialism

The more you give away for free the less people work to provide for themselves
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Mac77 said:
I understand the practical limits of socialism. The more you give away for free the less people work to provide for themselves
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Ah, then you are arguing about communalism and society's responsibility for its members, not socialism.

You are using a 'loaded' word to get a response: that's propaganda and an Alt Fact.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ataraxia said:
It's not about enforcement. It's about noble ideals of trying to preserve basic human dignity in modern civil societies. The freedom of the jungle is not the kind of freedom most modern people in the world really want anymore.
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Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
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Inalienable rights is not just something you can shove anything you feel like under it, but a philosophy with actual guidelines and principles behind it. You can not just throw services under inalienable rights because services depend upon the labor of others to provide, which labor is actually an inalienable right since it is a consequence of an individuals natural ability. Furthermore, anything provided by government is by definition NOT an inalienable right.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

JamesBY said:
Ah, then you are arguing about communalism and society's responsibility for its members, not socialism.

You are using a 'loaded' word to get a response: that's propaganda and an Alt Fact.
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Call it what you will

Someone said that public schools and obamacare were both forms of socialism and I responded to that
 
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Former President Bill Clinton steamrolled President Obama’s signature healthcare law at a rally, calling it “the craziest thing in the world.”

Speaking Monday in Flint, Mich., Clinton blasted the core principles of ObamaCare as unworkable as he pitched a new system that would allow people to buy into Medicare or Medicaid.

“You’ve got this crazy system where all the sudden 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.

“It’s the craziest thing in the world,” he said.


Bill Clinton slams ObamaCare: 'It?s the craziest thing in the world' | TheHill
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ataraxia said:
Not really. Obamacare can use its fixes. I think most Democrats would agree. We have lots of ideas of how to do that. Let's hear yours. Oh wait, you are still too blinded with hate to be able to speak coherently.
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We have already seen what your ideas do.... It's called Obamacare. I failure from the day the bill was signed.
The only thing the democratic party stands for today is the insane resist movement.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ataraxia said:
And a system of socialized medicine is wrong because... why again? How is it different than a system of public schools? If you want to send your kid to a private school and can afford it, you can still do it. But basic human rights, like the right to food, clean water, shelter, education, and basic healthcare, need to have basic safety nets. No human being in modern civil societies should be without access to basic healthcare. It's barbaric and no longer acceptable.
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The school system, forces kids and their parents into a system of mediocrity by forcing parents who want better for their children to pay for education twice, is wrong.

Exactly like Obamacare.
 
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MTAtech said:
If you are a Republican with diabetes and want to repeal Obamacare, it means that you hate Obama more than you love your feet.
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I am a Republican. My father has diabetes. He had diabetes before PPACA. He still has his feet. He had his feet before PPACA when he was receiving treatment for diabetes in a health care system that existed before PPACA.

Your causal logic is beyond flawed. Your appeal to emotion is beyond obvious. This type of shallow, vapid, unsubstantiated, partisan, faulty reasoning is the epitome of what is wrong with political discussions.
 
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Mac77 said:
Call it what you will Someone said that public schools and obamacare were both forms of socialism and I responded to that
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So you admit to using a loaded word that does not mean how you are using it.

The term you want, I believe, is Progressivism, which is a philosophy and a word used as a nominative to describe those principles.

Progressivism has been going on for more than 100 years and it is not going to stop in this modern, interconnected world.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Common Sense 1 said:
We have already seen what your ideas do.... It's called Obamacare. I failure from the day the bill was signed.
The only thing the democratic party stands for today is the insane resist movement.
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Those are lies from the start.

Repeal ACA with not replacement and watch the GOP get it in the ass next year.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

jimbo said:
The school system, forces kids and their parents into a system of mediocrity by forcing parents who want better for their children to pay for education twice, is wrong. Exactly like Obamacare.
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^^^ is a fallacy of false equivalency.

Public schools are only as good as parental involvement.
 
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Your anecdotal evidence, Nuber, is flawed, vapid, unsubstantied, partisan, and faulty. It makes no sense other than it is a wonderful illustration of Obama hatred.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

jbander said:
They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.
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3b6ceb898af9bab65fd108e19275c5cd.jpg Give it a break, the card wears thin!:roll:
 
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SocialD said:
If there wasn't a person involved in Obama care well. lets look at who the sponsor of the Affordable Care Act. Charles Rangel. I checked every bit of legislation he sponsored or cosponsored since the ACA passed and the only bills that amend the ACA that he was involved with were bills to add a public option to the ACA or , separately from the ACA, make Medicare/Medicaid available for all. He sponsors or cosponsors those two items every congress and he has been doing that since well before he sponsored the ACA. Anything else he sponsors is virtually always something that spends more money. a couple of them were potentially good most in my opinion not.
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The program doesn't need to be voted on by congress to get most of what is needed done to adjust the problems involved in Obama care, like all other bills of this size. Your judgement of government on what is being spent, could be better directed on what it is spent on. Anyone can fix the budget by dumping programs and tax laws that only benefit a minute few in this population. That's where your energy belongs in my opinion. I'll give you a little secret though ,all government spends money and going against that is just not sensible and guess what, government gets funding through taxes/
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

View attachment 67220217 The use of the above is used by racists to excuse their racism.

Sorry, racists, we will chase you down everywhere. There is no where you can hide.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

countryboy said:
All I can say is, as flawed as Trump is, and as utterly spineless and inept as the GOP Congress is, thank GOD Hillary lost. Thank you Jesus. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!
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That is so ridiculous but weak minds can be led anywhere. I can prove that Small hands is a scum bag with a hundred videos of him proving it. You can take yoru idea, that is created mostly on lies and think there was some justice in a hate candidate getting elected. You are so wrong and all the people like you, the haters needed to elect a hate candidate. screws the rest of us, and for 90% of you , your getting just as screwed.
 
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ataraxia said:
The United States spearheaded and signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948. After the horrors and injustices of WWII, it was seen as a foundation of what basic human dignity and justice would need to be to create more politically and socioeconomically stable societies, and prevent future such atrocities. It was signed by most countries of the world at the time, and the few which did not ended up eventually signing it later. It was a cornerstone of US foreign policy for decades afterwards. Food, water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare were seen as basic protections of human dignity. It is ironic that those ideas are now under siege right here at home, where they started.
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When the US would send food, medicine, resources, etc to the UN to physically support this policy, who forced them to do so? The answer is no-one. This demonstrates one of of the largest human rights you have left out - FREEDOM (on a national level). This document is an example of how a generous nation (the US) can freely support other peoples around the world when FREEDOM is a human right that is of equal standing to the others.

When you force others to provide anything to someone who didn't earn it for themselves, FREEDOM is lost. A basic human right is violated, as described in your UN Declaration.

How do you rectify violating one human right, in other to support others?
 
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JamesBY said:
So you admit to using a loaded word that does not mean how you are using it.

The term you want, I believe, is Progressivism, which is a philosophy and a word used as a nominative to describe those principles.

Progressivism has been going on for more than 100 years and it is not going to stop in this modern, interconnected world.
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What loaded word?

Socialism?

ObamaCare was designed to fail and pave the way for "single payer" aka socialized medicine

So I dont think I have misused the term at all
 
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