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The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.[W:409]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

It is equally amazing how the center-right, center, center-left, left and hard-left hate the current POTUS.



LOL You think Trump has a likable personality? I don't think he has ever had a friend that he didn't pay.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

LOL You think Trump has a likable personality? I don't think he has ever had a friend that he didn't pay.

Are you asking me if I think Trump has a likable personality?

Is that some kind of a trick question?
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Who in the hell pays for these 21 million when you haters take them off of Obama care. Tell me about all this money that will be saved and for who is the question. " The law set out to expand health insurance coverage, and it has done so — by more than 20 million people. Overall health care spending since enactment of Obamacare has been well below historical trends. Commonly reported measures of health care quality have been improving. Premiums are lower, not higher, than projected before Obamacare passed. And independent analysts now agree that after the price adjustments, insurance markets will be stable and that insurers will make money." There many things that can be done, the biggest thing is the right trying to get back at a black man with non stop lies about Obama care. Get rid of that and let the people and insurance company's know that you are lying and that the Brooking institute Knows more about it then the hate party and the rest of you liars. Comments above are from the Brookings institute.

Most of that 21 million are people who didn't want to buy insurance but were forced to because of the mandate. you could simply take away the mandate and make no other changes and many if not most of that 21 million would drop their insurance.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Most of that 21 million are people who didn't want to buy insurance but were forced to because of the mandate. you could simply take away the mandate and make no other changes and many if not most of that 21 million would drop their insurance.

Is that what you want?

If that happens, and they get in a serious accident or suffer a life threatening disease, who's going to pay for it?

You and me, that's who. We don't let people die on the streets here in America. (Well, not a general rule we don't.)

The downtrodden, indigent, or disabled, are one thing. But those who can, should. If they are irresponsible and choose not cover their health, we will end up paying for their deadbeat attitude.

I think health insurance should be as mandatory as car insurance.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Is that what you want?

If that happens, and they get in a serious accident or suffer a life threatening disease, who's going to pay for it?

You and me, that's who. We don't let people die on the streets here in America. (Well, not a general rule we don't.)

If the are downtrodden, indigent, or simple irresponsible and choose to take their chances foregoing on health insurance.

I think health insurance should be as mandatory as car insurance.

You only have to buy car insurance if you 'choose' to drive a car. I do not believe making a purchase no matter what is right. I believe Justice Roberts made a bad ruling. so correct there should not be a mandate.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Sure, give labor equal power to negotiate wages vs the capitalists, and you can then use a flat tax. Imbalance one, and it will just be offset by the other.

that makes no sense
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

You only have to buy car insurance if you 'choose' to drive a car. I do not believe making a purchase no matter what is right. I believe Justice Roberts made a bad ruling. so correct there should not be a mandate.

Good point. But I thought about that too and and I could have used a better example.

I understand it if people simply do not have the means to be responsible for their own health care insurance. I do have a heart, believe it or not.

But I also know there are plenty of people out there with the means to be responsible for their healthcare but simply won't do it unless they are mandated to.

And when those people find themselves WISHING they would have been more responsible, and find theirselves in a world of hurt with a disease or injury, they will still be treated, nonetheless. And I will end up paying for it, one way or another.

That is why I am pro-mandate. I'm sick of paying for irresponsible people.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Good point. But I thought about that too and and I could have used a better example.

I understand it if people simply do not have the means to be responsible for their own health care insurance. I do have a heart, believe it or not.

But I also know there are plenty of people out there with the means to be responsible for their healthcare but simply won't do it unless they are mandated to.

And when those people find themselves WISHING they would have been more responsible, and find theirselves in a world of hurt with a disease or injury, they will still be treated, nonetheless. And I will end up paying for it, one way or another.

That is why I am pro-mandate. I'm sick of paying for irresponsible people.

You are not going to avoid paying for them by having a mandate instituted. You will be paying for them either way. The ACA drove up costs, and of course there are subsidies. if you have kids you an be making decent money and still get subsidized.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

You are not going to avoid paying for them by having a mandate instituted. You will be paying for them either way. The ACA drove up costs, and of course there are subsidies. if you have kids you an be making decent money and still get subsidized.

Until the medical industry gets their heads out of their asses and finds a way to make their services affordable, we're screwed no matter what we do.

I believe it behooves BOTH the medical industry as well as the insurance industry to sky rocket the cost of medical treatment. From the Orderly to the Brain Surgeon, and all points in between, people in the medical profession usually have top shelf benefits and a decent pay-scale for the most part. There is nothing wrong with that. But the upper tiered medical professionals are getting freaking RICH selling us 20.00 Tylenols in 14.00 paper cups.

I don't have an answer. All this is WAY above my pay grade. I wish I did.

But in 1979, the birth of my son costs me 250.00 for the doctor bill and 450.00 for the hospital bill.

We need to find out what has went wrong since then and fix it. But I doubt the millionaire neurologists will be willing to give up their vacation homes in The Hamptons or the Insurance CEO's be willing to forego their gazillion dollar bonuses. So I guess we will just have to come to terms with 10.00 band-aids and continue to blame it on whatever politician or whatever political party, that happens to be around.

Only the medical industry can fix this. And they won't. Why should they?

Greed. Gotta love it. It's the American way.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Putin's trolls made Hillary LOOK like an atrocious candidate by plastering social media with vicious lies about her. They also knew EXACTLY where their work would do the most damage and we need to find out how that was done and who told them that information. Our democracy depends on it and you should care about that too. If Putin did pick our President would that even disturb you? Or are you like Trump who believes that winning is all that is important.

so Putin kept hillary from getting the nomination in 2008 as well"

you all just cannot figure out why Hillary lost and it had nothing to do with the Russians
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

so Putin kept hillary from getting the nomination in 2008 as well"

you all just cannot figure out why Hillary lost and it had nothing to do with the Russians

Again that is up to Mueller to decide.....
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Did the US sign it? Approve it?

Chile, Afghanistan, Brazil, Bolivia, Burma, Belgium, Australia, Argentina, Egypt, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Denmark, Cuba, Costa Rica, Colombia, China, Iraq, India, Iceland, Haiti, Guatemala, Greece, France, Ethiopia, El Salvador, New Zealand, The Netherlands, Mexico, Luxembourg, Liberia, ...Apr 21, 2014

Actually, no. In addition, looking at the list at least 90% of those that did have ignored it since.

It's worth about as much as the Obama Iran anti nuclear treaty.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Until the medical industry gets their heads out of their asses and finds a way to make their services affordable, we're screwed no matter what we do.

I believe it behooves BOTH the medical industry as well as the insurance industry to sky rocket the cost of medical treatment. From the Orderly to the Brain Surgeon, and all points in between, people in the medical profession usually have top shelf benefits and a decent pay-scale for the most part. There is nothing wrong with that. But the upper tiered medical professionals are getting freaking RICH selling us 20.00 Tylenols in 14.00 paper cups.

I don't have an answer. All this is WAY above my pay grade. I wish I did.

But in 1979, the birth of my son costs me 250.00 for the doctor bill and 450.00 for the hospital bill.

We need to find out what has went wrong since then and fix it. But I doubt the millionaire neurologists will be willing to give up their vacation homes in The Hamptons or the Insurance CEO's be willing to forego their gazillion dollar bonuses. So I guess we will just have to come to terms with 10.00 band-aids and continue to blame it on whatever politician or whatever political party, that happens to be around.

Only the medical industry can fix this. And they won't. Why should they?

Greed. Gotta love it. It's the American way.

Its government involvement that generally drives up the prices. Cost of tuition , health insurance and healthcare, housing even.
I'm not saying there aren't other reasons too but generally as soon as government gets involved the costs go up.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

Going after Obamacare is going after Obama because hate? Or because Black?

Your partially correct in that someone will have to pay for it. Why should that be successful people? They already pay more than 50% of the taxes?

And you claim the right has all the hate.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Its government involvement that generally drives up the prices. Cost of tuition , health insurance and healthcare, housing even.
I'm not saying there aren't other reasons too but generally as soon as government gets involved the costs go up.

Call me crazy, but I think it MIGHT be a good idea to consider an alternative route altogether. A way to address tuition, healthcare, and even housing.

I am only throwing ideas out. Certainly they may be full of holes and problems I did not foresee, but just for the sake of good conversation, let's discuss possibilities to re-structure health care altogether in as much as it concerns the government and addresses the valid issues you so wisely pointed out.

Now, let me preface, it is somewhat in direct opposition to your opinion about anything the government touches causes the prices to raise. It's not that I disagree, because I don't. But I have an idea, that still involves the government, but in a different way, altogether.

I present my idea having observed the way healthcare is run in the military. First, let me share my observations of military healthcare from my personal experiences. Then, after that, I will tie my idea to it, so my idea might make better sense and easier to understand and then we'll will pick it apart and discuss improvements and possibilities to improve on the basic idea. Here we go.

1. Sailor gets sick.
2. Sailor requests "chit" for sick call and sailor is assisted or transported over to the medical side if they can't walk there on their own.
3. Sailor goes to sick bay.
4. Sailor checks in. Corpsman E3 behind counter takes "chit" pulls file, hands it to E4, who takes sailor examining room, takes vitals, and writes up symptoms, etc.
5. E4 hands clipboard with recorded info to E5, E5 checks ears, nose, throat, or whatever the complaint relates to. E5 sees the sailor has ear infection/broken bone/whatever, takes his report to a central desk with his report and recommendation.
6. Navy doctor reviews E5 report and recommendation, signs off on diagnosis, approves and signs prescription.
7. E5 returns to examining room and gives Sailor his prescription and schedules any follow appointments.
8. Sailor walks next door to pharmacy and gets his meds and eithe returns to work or whatever Doctor ordered.
9. Sailor NEVER sees actual doctor but his needs have been addressed and there is always a doctor on hand should the sickness rise to that level.
Keep in mind, even though the hospital has streamlined the process on minor illnesses/injuries, there is ALWAYS qualified staff on
hand, with all the modern gadgets, to handle most any medical situation.

So, here's my idea. As simple minded as it might be.

Preface: Government is spending gazillions dollars earmarked for healthcare in one form or another. That is a given. I suggest looking into spending that money differently in the public sector similar to the military business model.

1. Poor person on medicare or charity tax dollars, instead, is sent to a regional government "learning hospital."
2. The first year student at this "learning hospital," does the intake at the counter and passes that info to the second year student.
3. The second year student takes the patient to the examining room and takes vitals, etc., and passes info to the third year student.
4. The third year student looks deeper into the symptoms and decides if it should go to the fourth year or fifth year student, or straight to the top floor where the teaching physicians/doctors, for further review.

Now, I could go on and on regarding the steps and levels but I think you get my point.

All students would work in the stations equivalent to their experience. All students will receive a structured medical education, from Admitting to nursing assistant, to nurse, to doctor, to specialist (depending on where the student aspires to practice. All students will be provided a comfortable dorm and 3 meals tickets, per day, at the hospital cafeteria.

The students day breaks down to one part classroom, on part hands-on, actual work. They will have to sing for their supper but they will get to the level they want to get to, all the while providing a service, and not having to enter the public sector with a life burdening student loan. Educated AND experienced. Win-Win.

This idea addresses the housing, tuition issue and it provides acceptable healthcare, structured much like the military.

I think if the idea was better thought out and tweaked here and there. It would be money better spent. It is my opinion that the public sector sucks the government teat dry when ever the oppertunity presents itself and cannot be trusted to act in the public interest when it comes to our tax dollars.

Thoughts?
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

It is equally amazing how the center-right, center, center-left, left and hard-left hate the current POTUS.

Good point one was black and the other was a slime bag.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Going after Obamacare is going after Obama because hate? Or because Black?

Your partially correct in that someone will have to pay for it. Why should that be successful people? They already pay more than 50% of the taxes?

And you claim the right has all the hate.
Your not obviously reading my comments, tell me why I should do anything other then hate the biggest threat this country has. Any thoughts on that.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Call me crazy, but I think it MIGHT be a good idea to consider an alternative route altogether. A way to address tuition, healthcare, and even housing.

I am only throwing ideas out. Certainly they may be full of holes and problems I did not foresee, but just for the sake of good conversation, let's discuss possibilities to re-structure health care altogether in as much as it concerns the government and addresses the valid issues you so wisely pointed out.

Now, let me preface, it is somewhat in direct opposition to your opinion about anything the government touches causes the prices to raise. It's not that I disagree, because I don't. But I have an idea, that still involves the government, but in a different way, altogether.

I present my idea having observed the way healthcare is run in the military. First, let me share my observations of military healthcare from my personal experiences. Then, after that, I will tie my idea to it, so my idea might make better sense and easier to understand and then we'll will pick it apart and discuss improvements and possibilities to improve on the basic idea. Here we go.

1. Sailor gets sick.
2. Sailor requests "chit" for sick call and sailor is assisted or transported over to the medical side if they can't walk there on their own.
3. Sailor goes to sick bay.
4. Sailor checks in. Corpsman E3 behind counter takes "chit" pulls file, hands it to E4, who takes sailor examining room, takes vitals, and writes up symptoms, etc.
5. E4 hands clipboard with recorded info to E5, E5 checks ears, nose, throat, or whatever the complaint relates to. E5 sees the sailor has ear infection/broken bone/whatever, takes his report to a central desk with his report and recommendation.
6. Navy doctor reviews E5 report and recommendation, signs off on diagnosis, approves and signs prescription.
7. E5 returns to examining room and gives Sailor his prescription and schedules any follow appointments.
8. Sailor walks next door to pharmacy and gets his meds and eithe returns to work or whatever Doctor ordered.
9. Sailor NEVER sees actual doctor but his needs have been addressed and there is always a doctor on hand should the sickness rise to that level.
Keep in mind, even though the hospital has streamlined the process on minor illnesses/injuries, there is ALWAYS qualified staff on
hand, with all the modern gadgets, to handle most any medical situation.

So, here's my idea. As simple minded as it might be.

Preface: Government is spending gazillions dollars earmarked for healthcare in one form or another. That is a given. I suggest looking into spending that money differently in the public sector similar to the military business model.

1. Poor person on medicare or charity tax dollars, instead, is sent to a regional government "learning hospital."
2. The first year student at this "learning hospital," does the intake at the counter and passes that info to the second year student.
3. The second year student takes the patient to the examining room and takes vitals, etc., and passes info to the third year student.
4. The third year student looks deeper into the symptoms and decides if it should go to the fourth year or fifth year student, or straight to the top floor where the teaching physicians/doctors, for further review.

Now, I could go on and on regarding the steps and levels but I think you get my point.

All students would work in the stations equivalent to their experience. All students will receive a structured medical education, from Admitting to nursing assistant, to nurse, to doctor, to specialist (depending on where the student aspires to practice. All students will be provided a comfortable dorm and 3 meals tickets, per day, at the hospital cafeteria.

The students day breaks down to one part classroom, on part hands-on, actual work. They will have to sing for their supper but they will get to the level they want to get to, all the while providing a service, and not having to enter the public sector with a life burdening student loan. Educated AND experienced. Win-Win.

This idea addresses the housing, tuition issue and it provides acceptable healthcare, structured much like the military.

I think if the idea was better thought out and tweaked here and there. It would be money better spent. It is my opinion that the public sector sucks the government teat dry when ever the oppertunity presents itself and cannot be trusted to act in the public interest when it comes to our tax dollars.

Thoughts?

The military has been busy shredding military culture because they are sure that the millennials hate it. It is a bit much to expect the civilian sector to now APE IT.

:2wave:
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Its government involvement that generally drives up the prices. Cost of tuition , health insurance and healthcare, housing even.
I'm not saying there aren't other reasons too but generally as soon as government gets involved the costs go up.
Sure it is, if you've been put in charge by your master to hate our government. Government involvement stops raw capitalism from eating our children, Ya we should do it your way and have everyone do what ever they like. Point of interest, laws are written to protect us from criminals in our society , regulations are written to protect us from criminals in business. What do right wing economist insist on, that there is no morality in business. Morality doesn't belong in capitalism. Doing it your way is like ok'ing the plague.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Chile, Afghanistan, Brazil, Bolivia, Burma, Belgium, Australia, Argentina, Egypt, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Denmark, Cuba, Costa Rica, Colombia, China, Iraq, India, Iceland, Haiti, Guatemala, Greece, France, Ethiopia, El Salvador, New Zealand, The Netherlands, Mexico, Luxembourg, Liberia, ...Apr 21, 2014

Actually, no. In addition, looking at the list at least 90% of those that did have ignored it since.

It's worth about as much as the Obama Iran anti nuclear treaty.
And your opinion is a dogs breath away from your opinion of The Iran Nuclear treaty. You know nothing about this so why would anyone be stupid enough to even consider what you have to say about it/
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Until the medical industry gets their heads out of their asses and finds a way to make their services affordable, we're screwed no matter what we do.

I believe it behooves BOTH the medical industry as well as the insurance industry to sky rocket the cost of medical treatment. From the Orderly to the Brain Surgeon, and all points in between, people in the medical profession usually have top shelf benefits and a decent pay-scale for the most part. There is nothing wrong with that. But the upper tiered medical professionals are getting freaking RICH selling us 20.00 Tylenols in 14.00 paper cups.

I don't have an answer. All this is WAY above my pay grade. I wish I did.

But in 1979, the birth of my son costs me 250.00 for the doctor bill and 450.00 for the hospital bill.

We need to find out what has went wrong since then and fix it. But I doubt the millionaire neurologists will be willing to give up their vacation homes in The Hamptons or the Insurance CEO's be willing to forego their gazillion dollar bonuses. So I guess we will just have to come to terms with 10.00 band-aids and continue to blame it on whatever politician or whatever political party, that happens to be around.

Only the medical industry can fix this. And they won't. Why should they?

Greed. Gotta love it. It's the American way.
It's not that complicated when a group finds out a way to outsmart capitalism and work around it and does nothing to contribute to this country and its people other then supporting every way possible to raise the prices. Medical people, insurance companies, medical support corporations and medical service providers and monster hospitals. Then they need a big fisted watch dog. Do you realize that only baseball and health insurance didn't have to go by the anti trust laws until Obama came into Office. They could all sit down together and set prices . Something I think they are still doing. Solution, go to the countries that have done something successfully about it and do the same. This isn't rocket science. You have to stop all aspects of medical setting non stop price increases. They all work as a unit. They have to be regulated , they have to have government looking over every one of these parts of healthcare. By the way not interested in the bull**** line that government makes everything more expensive, if that keep me from corporations killing me and taking every dime I've ever earned.Then so be it. This way is not working obviously.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Your not obviously reading my comments, tell me why I should do anything other then hate the biggest threat this country has. Any thoughts on that.

Actually I did read your comments.

Nothing much to respond to.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Obama care has problems that can be fixed , Scum bag care helps nothing only makes every aspect of this problem worse. But the hater s want that. Point of interest only 24% of this country want Obama care overturned. That 24% are the hard line haters. The ones that froth at the mouth when they talk about Obama.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

And your opinion is a dogs breath away from your opinion of The Iran Nuclear treaty. You know nothing about this so why would anyone be stupid enough to even consider what you have to say about it/

The list I posted is the signers of the 1948 human rights treaty. Notably absent is the US. Notably present is a dozen or so of the worst human rights countries around. Anything else?

What is it I don't know about the Obama nuclear treaty with Iran that I should? Obama signed it, Iran didn't. Sent pallet loads of unmarked bills anyway. Anything else I should know?
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

So, here's my idea. As simple minded as it might be.

Preface: Government is spending gazillions dollars earmarked for healthcare in one form or another. That is a given. I suggest looking into spending that money differently in the public sector similar to the military business model.

1. Poor person on medicare or charity tax dollars, instead, is sent to a regional government "learning hospital."
2. The first year student at this "learning hospital," does the intake at the counter and passes that info to the second year student.
3. The second year student takes the patient to the examining room and takes vitals, etc., and passes info to the third year student.
4. The third year student looks deeper into the symptoms and decides if it should go to the fourth year or fifth year student, or straight to the top floor where the teaching physicians/doctors, for further review.

Now, I could go on and on regarding the steps and levels but I think you get my point.

All students would work in the stations equivalent to their experience. All students will receive a structured medical education, from Admitting to nursing assistant, to nurse, to doctor, to specialist (depending on where the student aspires to practice. All students will be provided a comfortable dorm and 3 meals tickets, per day, at the hospital cafeteria.

The students day breaks down to one part classroom, on part hands-on, actual work. They will have to sing for their supper but they will get to the level they want to get to, all the while providing a service, and not having to enter the public sector with a life burdening student loan. Educated AND experienced. Win-Win.

This idea addresses the housing, tuition issue and it provides acceptable healthcare, structured much like the military.

I think if the idea was better thought out and tweaked here and there. It would be money better spent. It is my opinion that the public sector sucks the government teat dry when ever the oppertunity presents itself and cannot be trusted to act in the public interest when it comes to our tax dollars.

Thoughts?

I had some allergy issues when I was a teen and that office was pretty much run by the Nurse Practioner. I never saw the doctor but one time for 2 minutes. She did the diagnosis wrote out any prescriptions and just got him to sign them.
I think Proven competent nurses and MA's should be able to do more yes. I did agree to have a nurse trainee remove my cast off my arm once and she burned me with the cast saw. and I let a trainee phlebotomist take my blood and she shoved the needle through my ligament . but I'm sure there are plenty of good ones out there so yea I would be on board for what you are talking about.
 
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