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The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.[W:409]

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They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

If there wasn't a person involved in Obama care well. lets look at who the sponsor of the Affordable Care Act. Charles Rangel. I checked every bit of legislation he sponsored or cosponsored since the ACA passed and the only bills that amend the ACA that he was involved with were bills to add a public option to the ACA or , separately from the ACA, make Medicare/Medicaid available for all. He sponsors or cosponsors those two items every congress and he has been doing that since well before he sponsored the ACA. Anything else he sponsors is virtually always something that spends more money. a couple of them were potentially good most in my opinion not.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.
If you are a Republican with diabetes and want to repeal Obamacare, it means that you hate Obama more than you love your feet.

At least you, as a libertarian, is making an honest argument, namely, that making healthcare available to those who need it is a not a legitimate role of government and it's better to let some citizens go bankrupt and/or die if they get sick is the price of freedom. But that's not the argument the GOP is making. They're making a dishonest argument -- that after cutting hundreds of billions out of Medicaid and subsidies their plan will cover more people, make health care cheaper, protect Americans with pre-existing conditions, etc. -- which is fiction.
 
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Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

If you are a Republican with diabetes and want to repeal Obamacare, it means that you hate Obama more than you love your feet.

At least you, as a libertarian, is making an honest argument, namely, that making healthcare available to those who need it is a not a legitimate role of government and it's better to let some citizens go bankrupt and/or die if they get sick is the price of freedom. But that's not the argument the GOP is making. They're making a dishonest argument -- that after cutting hundreds of billions out of Medicaid and subsidies their plan will cover more people, make health care cheaper, protect Americans with pre-existing conditions, etc. -- which is fiction.
The CBO tells them that and I guess that it's more of that fake news, huh. :roll:
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

All I can say is, as flawed as Trump is, and as utterly spineless and inept as the GOP Congress is, thank GOD Hillary lost. Thank you Jesus. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Good on Clinton being gone.

As soon as Trump goes, America has once again a chance.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

All I can say is, as flawed as Trump is, and as utterly spineless and inept as the GOP Congress is, thank GOD Hillary lost. Thank you Jesus. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!
Yeah, because if Hillary won, we'd be stuck with the ACA, that added 20 million people to the insurance rolls and did other major good for Americans. Can't have that.

Instead with Trump willing to sign anything put in front of him, we are now facing a return to the bad old days before Obamacare, where most states had more or less unregulated insurance markets. Many of these states also had skimpy, underfunded Medicaid programs, which would be the effect of the bill’s brutal Medicaid cuts. Basically, it would look like pre-A.C.A. Texas, where 26 percent of the nonelderly population was uninsured. Hooray!
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

If you are a Republican with diabetes and want to repeal Obamacare, it means that you hate Obama more than you love your feet.

Gosh. I really can't understand how Hillary didn't sweep the last election.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Yeah, because if Hillary won, we'd be stuck with the ACA, that added 20 million people to the insurance rolls and did other major good for Americans. Can't have that.

Instead with Trump willing to sign anything put in front of him, we are now facing a return to the bad old days before Obamacare, where most states had more or less unregulated insurance markets. Many of these states also had skimpy, underfunded Medicaid programs, which would be the effect of the bill’s brutal Medicaid cuts. Basically, it would look like pre-A.C.A. Texas, where 26 percent of the nonelderly population was uninsured. Hooray!

Actually, I was alluding to the fact that if Hillary won, then the morons who actually believe O'Bama was disliked because he's black would be in power.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

ObamaCare was built on a lie - "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

It was designed to fail so that the ignorant liberals would demand socialized medicine - i.e. Single Payer

So quite hiding obama behind that black fig leaf

White backlash toward a racist black president had nothing to do with it
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Re: your thread title: So is the level of hate the Left has for Trump.

I have nothing to add on the healthcare issue that hasn't already been said on the many, many threads already out there on this subject.

Have a nice day all.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.


from what I can see it looks as if Don Cheeto Trumpsky is doing nothing more via his administration than attempting to undo Obama's legacy

this, coming from the previous 'birther'

yes, Trumpsky himself is full of hate; his being is raging with hate but what is worse is he has accomplished transferring his personal hate to tens of millions of voters, voters that voted for Trumpsky & Trumpsky's vision of an America that is run on a concept of hate

I find it very strange that many on the right accuse those that disagree with Trumpsky as hating Trumpsky, when in fact it is Trumpsky that cranked up the whole idea of political hate in this past election cycle

pretty ironic **** right there .............

'Make America Hate Again'

it actually seems to be working
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

Try and spin your silly story to the people in Arizona were their healthcare spiked 110% this year. Obamacare is self destructing.

Oklahoma up 67%
Alabama up 71%
Minnesota up 55%

Obamacare was fatally flawed from the second Obama signed the law. Shame on the democrats for all the lies and deceit
to pass this fiasco of a bill.

Obamacare is in a "death spiral' and more insurers will flee in 2018, said Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini Wednesday.
February 15, 2017

Aetna is pulling out of most Obamacare insurances exchanges in 2018.

Obamacare is in a 'death spiral,' says Aetna CEO - Feb. 15, 2017
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

from what I can see it looks as if Don Cheeto Trumpsky is doing nothing more via his administration than attempting to undo Obama's legacy

this, coming from the previous 'birther'

yes, Trumpsky himself is full of hate; his being is raging with hate but what is worse is he has accomplished transferring his personal hate to tens of millions of voters, voters that voted for Trumpsky & Trumpsky's vision of an America that is run on a concept of hate

I find it very strange that many on the right accuse those that disagree with Trumpsky as hating Trumpsky, when in fact it is Trumpsky that cranked up the whole idea of political hate in this past election cycle

pretty ironic **** right there .............

'Make America Hate Again'

it actually seems to be working

Very short term memory? The republican party has run against Obamacare for the last 7 years. Long before Trump or the 2016 election.
Your insane hate of Trump has blinded you to the fiasco called Obamacare!
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ObamaCare was built on a lie - "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

It was designed to fail so that the ignorant liberals would demand socialized medicine - i.e. Single Payer

And a system of socialized medicine is wrong because... why again? How is it different than a system of public schools? If you want to send your kid to a private school and can afford it, you can still do it. But basic human rights, like the right to food, clean water, shelter, education, and basic healthcare, need to have basic safety nets. No human being in modern civil societies should be without access to basic healthcare. It's barbaric and no longer acceptable.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

And a system of socialized medicine is wrong because... why again? How is it different than a system of public schools? If you want to send your kid to a private school and can afford it, you can still do it. But basic human rights, like the right to food, clean water, shelter, education, and basic healthcare, need to have basic safety nets. No human being in modern civil societies should be without access to basic healthcare. It's barbaric and no longer acceptable.

Nothing you just mentioned is a right.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Very short term memory? The republican party has run against Obamacare for the last 7 years. Long before Trump or the 2016 election.
Your insane hate of Trump has blinded you to the fiasco called Obamacare!

Not really. Obamacare can use its fixes. I think most Democrats would agree. We have lots of ideas of how to do that. Let's hear yours. Oh wait, you are still too blinded with hate to be able to speak coherently.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Nothing you just mentioned is a right.

It is. The United States spearheaded and signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948. After the horrors and injustices of WWII, it was seen as a foundation of what basic human dignity and justice would need to be to create more politically and socioeconomically stable societies, and prevent future such atrocities. It was signed by most countries of the world at the time, and the few which did not ended up eventually signing it later. It was a cornerstone of US foreign policy for decades afterwards. Food, water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare were seen as basic protections of human dignity. It is ironic that those ideas are now under siege right here at home, where they started.

Here is the preamble:

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

You can read the articles here:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

It is. The United States spearheaded and signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948. After the horrors and injustices of WWII, it was seen as a foundation of what basic human dignity and justice would need to be to create more politically and socioeconomically stable societies, and prevent future such atrocities. It was signed by most countries of the world at the time, and the few which did not ended up eventually signing it later. It was a cornerstone of US foreign policy for decades afterwards. Food, water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare were seen as basic protections of human dignity. It is ironic that those ideas are now under siege right here at home, where they started.

Here is the preamble:



You can read the articles here:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

That has no enforcement powers.

Also, **** the UN.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

And a system of socialized medicine is wrong because... why again? How is it different than a system of public schools? If you want to send your kid to a private school and can afford it, you can still do it. But basic human rights, like the right to food, clean water, shelter, education, and basic healthcare, need to have basic safety nets. No human being in modern civil societies should be without access to basic healthcare. It's barbaric and no longer acceptable.

If you force me to support private education as a defense against creeping socialism I will.

When we give socialists an inch they think the sky is the limit

America offers everyone the chance to work and earn what they need to live

giving them free stuff only makes people lazy and irresponsible
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

If you force me to support private education as a defense against creeping socialism I will.

When we give socialists and inch they thing the sky is the limit

America offers everyone the chance to work and earn what they need to live and giving them free stuff only makes people lazy and irresponsible
"Creeping socialism" was a war cry ninety years ago, was no more right than it is now.

When we give the alt fascist right an inch, we kill the country with every inch.

That won't be allowed to happen.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

If you force me to support private education as a defense against creeping socialism I will.

When we give socialists an inch they think the sky is the limit

Dude, relax. Take a deep breath. What are you talking about? Have public schools made people lazy and irresponsible? Have fire and police departments made people lazy and irresponsible? No. It's what modern civil societies do. It reminds me of some people I have talked to have said they will refuse to wipe their own behinds because any attempt to make things better is reaching for utopia and so is liberal fascism. LOL. Forget utopia. Wipe your behind already.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

It is. The United States spearheaded and signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948. After the horrors and injustices of WWII, it was seen as a foundation of what basic human dignity and justice would need to be to create more politically and socioeconomically stable societies, and prevent future such atrocities. It was signed by most countries of the world at the time, and the few which did not ended up eventually signing it later. It was a cornerstone of US foreign policy for decades afterwards. Food, water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare were seen as basic protections of human dignity. It is ironic that those ideas are now under siege right here at home, where they started.

Here is the preamble:



You can read the articles here:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

That document has no legal authority in the United States
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

That has no enforcement powers.

Also, **** the UN.

It's not about enforcement. It's about noble ideals of trying to preserve basic human dignity in modern civil societies. The freedom of the jungle is not the kind of freedom most modern people in the world really want anymore.
 
Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Dude, relax. Take a deep breath. What are you talking about? Have public schools made people lazy and irresponsible? Have fire and police departments made people lazy and irresponsible? No. It's what modern civil societies do. It reminds me of some people I have talked to have said they will refuse to wipe their own behinds because any attempt to make things better is reaching for utopia and so is liberal fascism. LOL. Forget utopia. Wipe your behind already.

:roll:

Public schools, fire departments, and police are not "socialism."

The definition of "socialism" is NOT "anything the government does."
 
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