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Flat Wages for the middle and working class - what to do?

chuckiechan said:
Ask the democrats why they don't talk about card check to their fat cat buddies in Silicon Valkey.
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Because they carry water for Wall Street and the corporate class. You still operating under the illusion that you have two adversarial political parties?
 
Fenton Lum said:
Because they carry water for Wall Street and the corporate class. You still operating under the illusion that you have two adversarial political parties?
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I'm not unhappy doing the the Middle East what China does to us. It's how trade works in the eyes of some.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Yeah, our national defense is in such a dire state isn't it. We need to continue to hollow out society for the global military hegemony that allows our economic system to colonize the resources of others. After all, that's the only way our capitalist empire can expand to infinity.
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Our defense is in bad shape in part to the ongoing war in the middle east than never seems to end

The military needs new equipment and spare parts and better treatment for the wounded vets
 
Conaeolos said:
Downward pressures compared to the past:
1. Full inclusion of woman to the workforce (increase supply of labour)
2. Automation increasing production power per employee (reducing needs of labour)
3. Foreign trade (eliminating many local industries)
4. Higher specialized training thresholds (can’t just train new employees limiting labour choice)
5. Increased population especially in skilled foreign labour (increase supply of labour)
6. Increase competition (pushing down prices and available customers)

Upward pressures compared to the past:
1. Fast Rate of innovation (many new emerging industries and the rate only seems to be increasing)
2. Increase education have a more broder-minded labour force (adaptability in labour)
3. Availability of advance training (most people can be train in any speciality)
4. Opening of global markets (huge new consumer bases coming aboard)

Feel free to expand upon or talk about any particular area of upward or downward middle class wage pressures.

The next waves of the middle & working class are looking like it going to struggle to buy homes, retire, pay their bills on 40 hour weeks etc.

One major reason for this is wages are not going up like they use to be and buying power is not going up to make up the difference. Youth unemployment and longer required education periods is also leading to later and later entry into the workforce delying everying.

My question is what do you see as the policies (left or right) which will start to see either wages raising or prices dropping to allow for a comfortable middle class?
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America needs to stand up to the 1%ers, and their efforts to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations like Judicial Watch, the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, Breitbart, FOX, etc, etc; are what the Republican Party is all about today. As an example, Judicial Watch has a staff of 50 people, a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators. Their entire agenda is filing defamation lawsuits. They filed over 300 lawsuits against Obama, and the Billionaire-funded news organizations of Breitbart and FOX pick up every story. The $35 million funding of Judicial Watch is a small price to pay for the 1%ers, as their payback in public policy is enormous. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Media_Truth said:
America needs to stand up to the 1%ers, and their efforts to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations like Judicial Watch, the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, Breitbart, FOX, etc, etc; are what the Republican Party is all about today. As an example, Judicial Watch has a staff of 50 people, a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators. Their entire agenda is filing defamation lawsuits. They filed over 300 lawsuits against Obama, and the Billionaire-funded news organizations of Breitbart and FOX pick up every story. The $35 million funding of Judicial Watch is a small price to pay for the 1%ers, as their payback in public policy is enormous. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
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I am a 1% so please don't :2wave:
 
Conaeolos said:
I am a 1% so please don't :2wave:
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What's good for the nation or you, that's your choice on how to play it.

I use to sing that tune too, I'm in the top 1%, but it's not about demonizing them, and if I were Media_Truth I would hike it up a bit, top 0.1% may be more accurate. 1% includes professionals and small business owners, people who work and maybe went school for nearly a decade, etc.

Being in the top X % doesn't imply wrongdoing, it just so happens to be a way to talk about the incredible wealth/income disparity in the U.S., how it has trended vs corporate profits (etc. you know the usual suspects) and how clearly the Republican party primarily has no shame in pushing the message and policy in their favor over everyone else.
 
Mach said:
What's good for the nation or you, that's your choice on how to play it.

I use to sing that tune too, I'm in the top 1%, but it's not about demonizing them, and if I were Media_Truth I would hike it up a bit, top 0.1% may be more accurate. 1% includes professionals and small business owners, people who work and maybe went school for nearly a decade, etc.

Being in the top X % doesn't imply wrongdoing, it just so happens to be a way to talk about the incredible wealth/income disparity in the U.S., how it has trended vs corporate profits (etc. you know the usual suspects) and how clearly the Republican party primarily has no shame in pushing the message and policy in their favor over everyone else.
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I was aware he means ultra wealthy and not me. He was specific enough in his examples.

The root is still jealousy IMHO and the policies to returning fairness from that evil 1% always seem to hurt me x10,000 more then my 0.001% friends. So don’t mind if I take it personally.
 
Conaeolos said:
I was aware he means ultra wealthy and not me. He was specific enough in his examples.
The root is still jealousy IMHO and the policies to returning fairness from that evil 1% always seem to hurt me x10,000 more then my 0.001% friends. So don’t mind if I take it personally.
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That's so cynical, it's really no different than claiming they demonize the ultra-wealthy.

I'm not jealous, and yet clearly our taxes need to be more progressive than they currently are, it seems almost obvious. But I dove in on the 1% comment so I'm not gonna derail you on a tangent :)
 
Mach said:
That's so cynical, it's really no different than claiming they demonize the ultra-wealthy.

I'm not jealous, and yet clearly our taxes need to be more progressive than they currently are, it seems almost obvious. But I dove in on the 1% comment so I'm not gonna derail you on a tangent :)
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You're probably right, and no derailment IMO seems this thread has gotten about as much as it will in terms of real meat-fill arguments.
 
Media_Truth said:
America needs to stand up to the 1%ers, and their efforts to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations like Judicial Watch, the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, Breitbart, FOX, etc, etc; are what the Republican Party is all about today. As an example, Judicial Watch has a staff of 50 people, a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators. Their entire agenda is filing defamation lawsuits. They filed over 300 lawsuits against Obama, and the Billionaire-funded news organizations of Breitbart and FOX pick up every story. The $35 million funding of Judicial Watch is a small price to pay for the 1%ers, as their payback in public policy is enormous. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
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The exact same is true of the left.
 
Moderate Right said:
What???????????? That has nothing to do with what I posted.
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MT wrote ... " ... Judicial Watch has a staff of 50 people, a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators. Their entire agenda is filing defamation lawsuits. They filed over 300 lawsuits against Obama ... "

And you said ...

Moderate Right said:
The exact same is true of the left.
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I don't think it is.
 
Critter7r said:
MT wrote ... "America needs to stand up to the 1%ers, and their efforts to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations like Judicial Watch, the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, Breitbart, FOX, etc, etc; are what the Republican Party is all about today. As an example, Judicial Watch has a staff of 50 people, a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators. Their entire agenda is filing defamation lawsuits. They filed over 300 lawsuits against Obama, and the Billionaire-funded news organizations of Breitbart and FOX pick up every story. The $35 million funding of Judicial Watch is a small price to pay for the 1%ers, as their payback in public policy is enormous. They are laughing all the way to the bank."
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George Soros, et al have tried to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations are what the Democratic party is all about today (plus all of the millionaires in Hollywood). Just look at all of the money they plowed into the Georgia special election. The left's entire agenda of resistance (with a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators) has filed many suits since Trump was elected and the Billionaire-funded "mainstream media" news organizations pick up every anti-Trump and anti-Republican story they can.
 
Moderate Right said:
George Soros, et al have tried to buy America. Billionaire-funded organizations are what the Democratic party is all about today (plus all of the millionaires in Hollywood). Just look at all of the money they plowed into the Georgia special election. The left's entire agenda of resistance (with a combination of full-time lawyers and investigators) has filed many suits since Trump was elected and the Billionaire-funded "mainstream media" news organizations pick up every anti-Trump and anti-Republican story they can.
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But they didn't file 300 lawsuits against Obama.

I'm playing on the fact that you said "the EXACT SAME thing could be said about the left". No, it couldn't. However, you may be able to draw a parallel between the 300 lawsuits against Obama and things the left is currently doing.

It was a joke.

Settle down, Francis.

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Critter7r said:
But they didn't file 300 lawsuits against Obama.

I'm playing on the fact that you said "the EXACT SAME thing could be said about the left". No, it couldn't. However, you may be able to draw a parallel between the 300 lawsuits against Obama and things the left is currently doing.

It was a joke.

Settle down, Francis.

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That's all you ever do is play.
 
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