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Is Supply Side a way to force Austerity in Kansas?

So again, a condition of being alive means that the government can forcible take some of my wealth. I'm sorry, but why are you making that argument? It's pretty obvious that the argument is only right according to current law and has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else.

It is not merely the condition of being alive. It is the condition of living in a society that benefits you with no effort on your part. Move to an isolated place and live completely alone if you want absolute freedom. Do not take advantage of anything that society has created that you benefit from Make your own tools, build your own shelter, and provide your own health care. Then you will be truly free. Otherwise, just accept that freedom is never absolute in a normal society. In other words, wake up to reality and get out of your libertarian fantasy world.
 
"She needs to get help from her community and/or extended family..." Those days went out with community barn raisings. Wake up and smell the food stamps. Your argument is wonderful for the philosophy professor's study, where we can also discuss the circumstances under which it would be moral to kill your parents and observe other angels dancing on pin heads.

Of course one came come up with absurdities in any system we set up to deal with social problems. My bias in this area would be to strengthen unions and employee assicoations instead of making things difficult for them, but even that would probably not pan out given changes in the nature of the workplace. But the welfare state is here to stay. Make it better, more efficient, etc., but in the meantime, can you come up with a example of any society larger in scale than the Amish where this has worked?
America(and the westren world) - I devlop and work with these community based programs everyday. They are simply under attack by a growing welfare state, and are even more attacked outside our westren countries - but anywho the biggst problem with a welfare state is it just a matter of time till they collapse, so time will prove me right anyhow.

You don't think the people invovled don't see the low outcomes first hand? Low-cost, private funded community programs survive on their success. The hardest thing is not to be tempted into easy government money which kills outcomes faster than a honey badger on meth.
 
No quarrel with your post, except the absurd claim that "no liberal proposals change that." Rich and poor remain,
but misery is lessened by these programs. In no particular order, 1- "relief," as it was called then, saved my parents during the depression, 2- a liberal govt program saved me from poverty before I was Medicare eligible, 3- SS and Medicare have greatly reduced poverty among the elderly and saved my ass, 4- the poverty rate declined during the years after the War on Poverty was established, tho unclear if things would have gotten better anyway, 5- food stamps greatly reduced hunger, 6- free secondary education also is a government program that appears to have worked. The list goes on.

As have all other affluent countries, from FDR to Obama we have created a floor in our society below which we don't think people should sink. Whatever the faults of any of the programs, there is only a small fringe of politicians who wish to eliminate them. The slogan "repeal and replace" regarding Obamacare is itself a victory for the liberal notion of government. What conservatives used to call "creeping socialism" in the 1950s continues to creep. And as always, conservatives pay a vital role inpreventing liberals from doing really dumb things.

(By the way, it is my impression that very few of the people who pay no taxes at all are manning the barricades demanding greater taxation on the rich. It is a debate among taxpayers, with rich and not-so-rich on both sides.)

99% of all Republicans don't stand for eliminating social programs. It's just that the social programs are out of control and in many cases there is no plan to break the cycle of poverty, only to give continuous never ending handouts generation after generation. Republicans also stand for the fact that there are segments of society who do not need a living wage so there is no need to have a "living wage" for those people who do not need a living wage. The minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. And, in most cases, small businesses can't afford to pay a living wage. Most businesses are not Walmart and McDonalds. And, in most cases, the companies who are making huge profits (such as Walmart and McDonalds and companies with rich CEO's) don't pay the minimum wage anyway. So, large raises to the minimum wage (AKA a living wage) only hurt the small businesses who can't afford it and don't really effect the high profit companies that the left detests so much. Huge raises to the minimum wage would not effect the one percent, other than actually increasing their profits because they wouldn't be paying a dime more in labor while benefiting from the poor earning more money at the expense of the little guy business owner. As I already posted, let's have everyone over the poverty level contribute to society by paying some kind of federal income taxes and then I would listen to the left's ideas about taxing the rich more. But it is totally ridiculous and hypocritical to say that someone paying millions of dollars already in federal income taxes isn't paying their fair share when 47% pay zero.
 
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Strange comment. Should we now bring up your 1984ish government run utiopia?
You don't understand, is the issue. I'll help you.
There is no absolute free society in reality, as Henrin pines for.
There is no absolute marxist utopia as some hardcore Marxists pine for.

There ARE plenty of real, actual economies, that use a mix of capitalism and government regulation, to achieve very large, prosperous, and fairly stable economies...in reality.
So no, you don't need to bring up 1984 utopia fantasy, because the style of government/economy I'm referring to is all over the world in reality. Increasing the tax rate on the ultra-wealthy for proper health care/insurance, and a boost to our education system, is hardly fantasy.
 
So no, you don't need to bring up 1984 utopia fantasy, because the style of government/economy I'm referring to is all over the world in reality. Increasing the tax rate on the ultra-wealthy for proper health care/insurance, and a boost to our education system, is hardly fantasy.
If you ignore the fact some common things current governments do are complete short-term illusions:
As without an exception of those I’ve see
  • have extensive future liberties with no way to fund
  • in many cases are deficit financed
  • are not completely un-adaptable to market changes [R?D, cutting edge medicine, education etc.)
  • Have a continual trend toward shrinking service for a higher cost the opposite of the private market
  • destruction of capital: a tax today often means lower ability to collect tax down the line

Just because I can run my taxi business not doing oil changes with above average profits is not proof you can run a sustainable business in this manner.
Same thing with a pyramid scheme.

So I agree in terms of maybe 5-10 generations but after that?

I am sure that land owner who helped out the surfs great grandfather was just a nice dude helping a fellow out ~ that matters all of about zero when he find himself a current slave since he has no right to his own human capital.
 
You don't understand, is the issue. I'll help you.
There is no absolute free society in reality, as Henrin pines for.
There is no absolute marxist utopia as some hardcore Marxists pine for.

There ARE plenty of real, actual economies, that use a mix of capitalism and government regulation, to achieve very large, prosperous, and fairly stable economies...in reality.
So no, you don't need to bring up 1984 utopia fantasy, because the style of government/economy I'm referring to is all over the world in reality. Increasing the tax rate on the ultra-wealthy for proper health care/insurance, and a boost to our education system, is hardly fantasy.

The fantasy in my view is that more government means more good. I feel exactly the opposite. Nobody is against sensible regulation. It is when the government begins to run things through regulation that the problems occur. And they always occur because government isn't good at management.
 
Society is government now? Interesting. So how is society government? If I'm part of society and government is society then wouldn't that logic mean that I'm part of government?

I'm glad you're finally catching on. Welcome to America. Where the government is by the people, and for the people.

When did this happen? I don't recall ever getting hired by the government to do anything.

Well, have you EVER been hired for a job which you did not apply? Same logic goes towards government. You have to apply for the job. And guess who your bosses are ... right, the PEOPLE!! YAY!!

If I am in fact part of government then I should be getting paid. According to your logic I should probably consider taking the government to court for not paying me. Wow, I wonder how much they owe me.

This isn't rocket science. The government (the people) have to hire (elect) you first, silly.

I would love to know how living here is consent to anything, which of course you haven't said other than to say that it is. I would also love to know how getting services that I don't want means that I consented to pay for those services, which of course you haven't told me either. I would lastly like to know why the government deserves a cut of my earnings when they were clearly not part of the employment agreement.

They are your boss's boss, and they take a cut. It's really simple.
 
Because of the choice of individuals on how they wish to conduct their daily transactions of property? I guess. That's hardly a flaw in the system though.

Completely ignoring human nature IS a flaw in the system. you can't create a system that allows anyone to anything they please and then say, "well, it's not the system's fault" when it fails miserably.

What do you think regulation of business is anyway? People are being told how to run their businesses because of the desires of government. It might be sold on the idea that it is done to prevent harm, but most of it is really just about control over private property to get what politicians want.

You're getting pretty far into tinfoil-hat territory there, Hank. I doubt that the FDA's oversight of the General Mills cereal plant is a plot by politicians to gain power.
 
Completely ignoring human nature IS a flaw in the system. you can't create a system that allows anyone to anything they please and then say, "well, it's not the system's fault" when it fails miserably.

People making voluntary peaceful decisions in a system is not a flaw.


You're getting pretty far into tinfoil-hat territory there, Hank. I doubt that the FDA's oversight of the General Mills cereal plant is a plot by politicians to gain power.

Not even close really. Government regulations on business results in the government gaining greater power over private property. Most of the time regulations are not passed because of an existing harm that needs combated, but because of the opinions of politicians or at the command of corporations looking for industry favor.
 
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