Good Parenting vs Welfare

fmw · Jun 30, 2017

minnie616 said:
If you say so.
My husband and I are thankful some of our taxes are helping the less fortunate have a safety net.

Is there a reason you can't help the less fortunate without the government as a middle man?

minnie616 · Jun 30, 2017

fmw said:
Is there a reason you can't help the less fortunate without the government as a middle man?

We can't reach the masses who need safety nets on our own.
My husband and I do give anonymously to some favorite charities.

And we do help individuals and families that we know who need a hand up.

Critter7r · Jun 30, 2017

fmw said:
Is there a reason you can't help the less fortunate without the government as a middle man?

Is there any reason to think that those less fortunate would receive an equal amount of help from local charities if the gov't stripped away SNAP, Medicaid, low-income housing, etc?

As much as everyone bitches about gov't being bumbling, inefficient idiots, they create economies of scale to make it possible to provide those things to many more than would be helped without them. That's why the programs were begun in the first place: because local charities couldn't provide enough help.

fmw · Jun 30, 2017

Critter7r said:
Is there any reason to think that those less fortunate would receive an equal amount of help from local charities if the gov't stripped away SNAP, Medicaid, low-income housing, etc?

I can't answer it. I do think that there are serious problems with those programs because the recipients aren't normally vetted. I'm a believer in government treating everyone the same.

As much as everyone bitches about gov't being bumbling, inefficient idiots, they create economies of scale to make it possible to provide those things to many more than would be helped without them. That's why the programs were begun in the first place: because local charities couldn't provide enough help.

I have no idea but I doubt that.

fmw · Jun 30, 2017

minnie616 said:
We can't reach the masses who need safety nets on our own.
My husband and I do give anonymously to some favorite charities.

And we do help individuals and families that we know who need a hand up.

Excellent. You should be proud of that. We need more like you.

Critter7r · Jun 30, 2017

fmw said:
Excellent. You should be proud of that. We need more like you.

Exactly. But since it won't happen, we have to have social safety nets handled at least at the state level.

Critter7r · Jun 30, 2017

fmw said:
I can't answer it. I do think that there are serious problems with those programs because the recipients aren't normally vetted. I'm a believer in government treating everyone the same.

The recipients of what aren't vetted? SNAP?? Yes they are. Government funds aren't just sent out to anyone that asks for them. You have to have a SS#, tax returns and birth certificates for your kids to show before you can receive SNAP.

I have no idea but I doubt that.

Based on what?

fmw · Jun 30, 2017

Critter7r said:
Exactly. But since it won't happen, we have to have social safety nets handled at least at the state level.

Fine put them at the state level. The closer to the voter, the better.

fmw · Jun 30, 2017

Critter7r said:
The recipients of what aren't vetted? SNAP?? Yes they are. Government funds aren't just sent out to anyone that asks for them. You have to have a SS#, tax returns and birth certificates for your kids to show before you can receive SNAP.

OK. Now we just need to see that the coupons are used for food and not for sales to others or non food products.

Critter7r · Jun 30, 2017

fmw said:
OK. Now we just need to see that the coupons are used for food and not for sales to others or non food products.

ok, well, since some of my federal tax dollars go toward the construction and maintenance of the state highways that you use, I want a complete study done to make sure that you and your ilk arent using the highways for any potentially illegal purposes.

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fmw · Jun 30, 2017

Critter7r said:
ok, well, since some of my federal tax dollars go toward the construction and maintenance of the state highways that you use, I want a complete study done to make sure that you and your ilk arent using the highways for any potentially illegal purposes.

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The federal government should not spend tax dollars on state highways. In my opinion it should be illegal for federal government to transfer funds to state governments since they are taxing authorities themselves.

Mac77 · Jul 1, 2017

MrWonka said:
Why is it that when a relatively wealthy set of parents makes sure their child always has enough food to eat, always has health insurance, pays for their child's education, help him pay rent through college, gets him a reliable car, and a little money left over to have some fun on the weekends it's good parenting?

But if the government tries to help young people without those advantages get something close it's called welfare, and attacked as if it's bad for the people receiving it?

Trump, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney...... Was all the money their parents gave to them early on in their lives bad for them?

The "affluenza" teen in Texas who was spoiled by his rich parents till the killed 4 strangers in a drunk driving incident is the exception

Just as welfare survivors like former world-class brain surgeon, current HUD sec and all around good person Ben Carson are the exection in a positive way

But generally speaking parents in the private sector who work hard to give their kds the best are rewarded with successfull offspring

When government gives money to poor people instead of making them work for it we get more poor people who are unsuccessful in life and often downright dangerous to others