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Work Requirement For SNAP Causes 85% Drop

Renae said:
If you have the ability to work, you should be working. Period.
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What constitutes the ability to work?

And what if you have the ability to work.. but can't find work?

the problem is that folks think that these are easy answers.. but they are not.

I have patients that could work.. physically.. but because of the current liability issues etc.. they are unemployable because they can't pass a drug test. Even though they are not under the influence of their medication during work hours.

should they then starve because some lawyer has said that its not good practice to hire someone who tests positive for opioids though its opioids that are prescribed by a physician and are used AFTER they would be done with work?
 
jaeger19 said:
What constitutes the ability to work?

And what if you have the ability to work.. but can't find work?

the problem is that folks think that these are easy answers.. but they are not.

I have patients that could work.. physically.. but because of the current liability issues etc.. they are unemployable because they can't pass a drug test. Even though they are not under the influence of their medication during work hours.

should they then starve because some lawyer has said that its not good practice to hire someone who tests positive for opioids though its opioids that are prescribed by a physician and are used AFTER they would be done with work?
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I think it's easier to feel guilty and come up with "solutions" to problems that don't cost you anything. It's always easier to say "well I care, I support XXXX Gov't Program" than to say... expect people to make the choices they need to make. Sometimes they make wrong choices, and that causes you guilt, it hurts. It feels "good" to care, even if your care really isn't helping them. In the end, you don't care about them, you care about your own problem, and you want the easy fix to it.
 
Renae said:
I think it's easier to feel guilty and come up with "solutions" to problems that don't cost you anything. It's always easier to say "well I care, I support XXXX Gov't Program" than to say... expect people to make the choices they need to make. Sometimes they make wrong choices, and that causes you guilt, it hurts. It feels "good" to care, even if your care really isn't helping them. In the end, you don't care about them, you care about your own problem, and you want the easy fix to it.
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Actually I think.. and most studies of human behavior back me up on this.. people don't like to think about the ills of other people. People don't like to believe that bad things happen to good people. Whats the first question someone asks when they hear "bill has cancer"? Generally someone will immediately ask if bill was a smoker. People don't want to recognize that bad crap happens to good people all of the time because it means that it could happen to them.. and they don't like to believe that. they want to believe that they are in control.. they THEY will "make good choices".. or they are smarter or have a better work ethic or that their faith in God is greater.
Just a few hundred years ago if you got sick it was the wrath of god. Heck.. even today you have people blaming someone getting HIV on their "morals".. when they got it from a blood transfusion.

So the vast majority go along and don't care. and then claim that they actually care.. but its "tough love" or dismiss it as "well those folks made poor choices".. Its just a cover up to cover for their own selfishness and pride.
 
This thread is moot. "Among SNAP households with at least one working-age, non-disabled adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP — and more than 80 percent work in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. The rates are even higher for families with children — more than 60 percent work while receiving SNAP, and almost 90 percent work in the prior or subsequent year."

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jaeger19 said:
Actually I think.. and most studies of human behavior back me up on this.. people don't like to think about the ills of other people. People don't like to believe that bad things happen to good people. Whats the first question someone asks when they hear "bill has cancer"? Generally someone will immediately ask if bill was a smoker. People don't want to recognize that bad crap happens to good people all of the time because it means that it could happen to them.. and they don't like to believe that. they want to believe that they are in control.. they THEY will "make good choices".. or they are smarter or have a better work ethic or that their faith in God is greater.
Just a few hundred years ago if you got sick it was the wrath of god. Heck.. even today you have people blaming someone getting HIV on their "morals".. when they got it from a blood transfusion.

So the vast majority go along and don't care. and then claim that they actually care.. but its "tough love" or dismiss it as "well those folks made poor choices".. Its just a cover up to cover for their own selfishness and pride.
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You just proved my point
 
MrPeanut said:
You forgot taxes. Taxes are killer for people on minimum wage. Those are the type of tax cuts I could really get behind.
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No effective taxes on people making that little. 7.5% payroll tax would be taken out, and FICA wouldnt amount to much after standard deduction. Figure $150 a month. $1000 is still more than enough, and nothing stopping someone from working more hours. Of course, thats the lowest wage too. Less than 1% even make minimum wage for more than a few months.

IRs calc says someone making 15k a year pays $500 in FICA.
 
Renae said:
You just proved my point
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I just destroyed your point. Especially when you consider that I pay more in taxes than the vast majority.. I am taxed at the top rate.

So it cost ME probably way more than it costs you.
 
jaeger19 said:
I just destroyed your point. Especially when you consider that I pay more in taxes than the vast majority.. I am taxed at the top rate.

So it cost ME probably way more than it costs you.
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And... you're still missing the fact your personal guilt drives you to believe in the simple answer to YOUR personal guilt. My wife and I were practically HOMELESS at one point, now we're not. We didn't take any benefits aside the unemployment check from working. We got back on our feet, we sacrificed, we went without a LOT of things to get where we are. **** paying jobs, little spare money. People telling me to sign up for benefits, why works so hard when you could have it handed to you! No. That was not the right way.
 
Renae said:
And... you're still missing the fact your personal guilt drives you to believe in the simple answer to YOUR personal guilt. My wife and I were practically HOMELESS at one point, now we're not. We didn't take any benefits aside the unemployment check from working. We got back on our feet, we sacrificed, we went without a LOT of things to get where we are. **** paying jobs, little spare money. People telling me to sign up for benefits, why works so hard when you could have it handed to you! No. That was not the right way.
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Yeah.. personal guilt doesn't drive me. That's you projecting. I grew up poor.. for years I ate Ramen pride and prego.. and cans of tuna .. worked in the fields, Worked three jobs, busted my hump. Other than education loans.. which didn;t cover my living expenses.. just college.. I didn;t get SNAP or welfare.. and did without healthcare insurance.

And now I am in the highest tax bracket and own several businesses.

It seems to me that you have the personal issues.. not me.
 
As one who has had to work rather menial jobs quite far below my potential to keep from resorting to any form of welfare, it is very hard to condemn the action of the Alabama legislature. The 'restriction' from receiving SNAP clearly applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. Since the AL unemployment rate is roughly half of what it was at its peak in 2011, it is difficult to imagine an able bodied adult not being able to find any kind of work. Were this done on a national scale, as many are attempting, it would certainly enable funds to be spent on those truly deserving. Overall, our spending is way out of control.
 
As one who has had to work rather menial jobs quite far below my potential to keep from resorting to any form of welfare, it is very hard to condemn the action of the Alabama legislature. The 'restriction' from receiving SNAP clearly applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. Since the AL unemployment rate is roughly half of what it was at its peak in 2011, it is difficult to imagine an able bodied adult not being able to find any kind of work. Were this done on a national scale, as many are attempting, it would certainly enable funds to be spent on those truly deserving. Overall, our spending is way out of control.
 
Armysarge said:
As one who has had to work rather menial jobs quite far below my potential to keep from resorting to any form of welfare, it is very hard to condemn the action of the Alabama legislature. The 'restriction' from receiving SNAP clearly applies only to able bodied adults without dependents. Since the AL unemployment rate is roughly half of what it was at its peak in 2011, it is difficult to imagine an able bodied adult not being able to find any kind of work. Were this done on a national scale, as many are attempting, it would certainly enable funds to be spent on those truly deserving. Overall, our spending is way out of control.
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it is difficult to imagine an able bodied adult not being able to find any kind of work.
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That's the problem. People can't imagine.. but that doesn;t mean it doesn't occur.

I have patients that in all aspects are able bodied.. but the need a medication at night to keep their pain under control, Which means that they can't pass a drug screen. they are virtually unemployable in the area.

Work can be had for some folks. but its temporary.. and its temporary nature means that being off benefits when they are making money.. when they lose their job because of the temporary nature.. then they need benefits again and there is a delay.. which frankly makes it much smarter for them to stay on benefits until longer term employment comes available.

I have patients because they are taking care of elderly parents or sick kids, that this makes them virturally unemployable because employers don't want to work around that persons schedule.. or deal with call outs etc to deal with grandpa trying to leave the house and wandering down the street.
 
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