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The Food Stamp Capital of the U.S. is WHITE and REPUBLICAN

Beaudreaux said:
I have. Racists do what you say, and there are racists in both parties. The GOP as a party does not condone or portray what you said. I'm a member of the GOP, and I don't think that poverty or dependence on government programs has anything to do with race.

Race doesn't, and shouldn't, enter into the conversation about Welfare Reform. I live in the country. A rural area where poverty knows no racial boundaries, as is the same everywhere else.

Let me set the record straight for anyone that cares:

1) The GOP is not a racist party.
2) Some people that happen to also be members of the GOP are in fact racist, as are some people that are members of the Democratic Party.
3) I am a member of the GOP, and have been for over 40 years.
4) I feel that Welfare Reform is needed.
5) I am not a racist.

That alone makes your statement inaccurate.

Trust me, I get it. I can understand how you or anyone else could think what you said was true, given the way the media portrays the GOP and how loud the racist few that exist can be. They can suck the oxygen out of any room they show up in. If you wish to call some right wing assholes on here racists when they act racist, then go right ahead. I do, so you should, too. However, don't throw the entire Republican Party under the bus because of a few racist assholes, just as I don't throw the entire Democratic Party under the bus because of a few racist assholes.
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They use the word racist from a defensive posture because they know their own argument has too many holes.
 
Henrin said:
Welfare can't be empathetic since it doesn't rely on voluntary action.
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Those who support welfare for those who need and deserve it have empathy.Those who are opposed to it have no empathy.

I have an idea where you stand on this issue.
 
Angelus said:
The Food Stamp Capital of the U.S. is WHITE and REPUBLICAN : Political Blind Spot

In spite of the prevailing stereotypes and assumptions about who uses SNAP Food Stamp benefits the most in the United States, the highest usage is not in Compton, Queens, nor the South Side of Chicago. Instead, a city that is 99.22% white and 95% Republican comes in the lead. Owsley County, Kentucky is a community of about 5,000, residents earning the lowest median household income in the country outside of Puerto Rico, according to the U.S. Census.

The decline in the profits from coal, tobacco and lumber industries led to a harsh toll being taken on the community.

The majority of food stamps users are white, Republicans living in the south - a large part of the Republican base. Food stamps are a necessary tool for survival in areas where jobs have disappeared. Work requirements for unemployed food stamps recipients, put in place in 1999, require that able-bodied adults between the ages of 18 and 59, and without dependents, can only receive food stamps for 3 months in a 3-year period unless they are working for at least 20 hours a week or engaged in job training, education, or community service for a certain number of hours each week.

The benefits are intended as short-term assistance for those who can be working, until they can get back on their feet. An increasing number of SNAP households have earnings, which means these are households in which one of the two wage-earners lost their job, or increasing numbers of Americans are in lower-wage jobs or not getting enough hours to cover rising rents, heating, health care costs, and other necessary expenses, including food. 62% of food stamp recipients are either working , disabled, or elderly. Only 18% are able bodied adults with no children.

All of food stamp income is immediately put into circulation in the community - hence cutting food stamps will result in fewer jobs available. Food stamps are structured to encourage people to work more hours - they lose 24 cents for each dollar earned. Overall they are less than 2% of the national budget, all of which goes into support for those living at 130% of the federal poverty rate, and to support stores in the affected areas.

So - now tht a few fcts have been added to the discussion - why are so many here so eager to cut food stamps.
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The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center
Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to have received food stamps at some point in their lives
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Overall, a Pew Research Center survey conducted late last year found that about one-in-five Americans (18%) has participated in the food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. About a quarter (26%) lives in a household with a current or former food stamp recipient.

Of these, about one-in-five (22%) of Democrats say they had received food stamps compared with 10% of Republicans. About 17% of political independents say they have received food stamps.
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A hyper-partisan political hit-site using one community to try to broad brush a lie is pretty pathetic.
 
shrubnose said:
Those who support welfare for those who need and deserve it have empathy.Those who are opposed to it have no empathy.

I have an idea where you stand on this issue.
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Rubbish. An action that depends on threats of violence towards innocents can't be empathetic.
 
In a majority white country, where the political map is almost completely red? Shocked I tells ya.

Hard to believe the people most familiar with the effects of these programs are the ones most opposed to them.

shrubnose said:
Those who support welfare for those who need and deserve it have empathy.Those who are opposed to it have no empathy.

I have an idea where you stand on this issue.
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Right, because if you don't agree with a proposed solution to the problem, or express reasons why it would exacerbate the problem, then you must not care about the problem!

Those who support welfare do it for votes, not empathy. Those who rob Peter to pay Paul will forever have Paul's support. You're either naive, or a bigot, or both.
 
Henrin said:
Rubbish.
An action that depends on threats of violence towards innocents can't be empathetic
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Believe whatever you want to believe but you are out of touch with reality.


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
shrubnose said:
Believe whatever you want to believe but you are out of touch with reality.


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
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Not even slightly. Are you empathetic if you rob some random dude on the street and give his money to someone in need?
 
shrubnose said:
Those who support welfare for those who need and deserve it have empathy.Those who are opposed to it have no empathy.

I have an idea where you stand on this issue.
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That is debatable since "welfare" (aka the many "safety net" programs) does little to correct the underlying problem. Only if poverty is defined as simply the lack of funds to spend on personal consumption (rather than the recipient's lack of the ability to earn those funds) can "welfare" be said to solve the problem.
 
shrubnose said:
You're out of touch with reality.
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Repeating your attack doesn't make it any more valid. All you're doing with welfare is taking peoples money by force and giving it to others. You can claim that an action of violence towards innocents is empathetic if you want, but you're wrong by accepted social standards of what the word empathy means.
 
Angelus said:
The Food Stamp Capital of the U.S. is WHITE and REPUBLICAN : Political Blind Spot

In spite of the prevailing stereotypes and assumptions about who uses SNAP Food Stamp benefits the most in the United States, the highest usage is not in Compton, Queens, nor the South Side of Chicago. Instead, a city that is 99.22% white and 95% Republican comes in the lead. Owsley County, Kentucky is a community of about 5,000, residents earning the lowest median household income in the country outside of Puerto Rico, according to the U.S. Census.

The decline in the profits from coal, tobacco and lumber industries led to a harsh toll being taken on the community.

The majority of food stamps users are white, Republicans living in the south - a large part of the Republican base. Food stamps are a necessary tool for survival in areas where jobs have disappeared. Work requirements for unemployed food stamps recipients, put in place in 1999, require that able-bodied adults between the ages of 18 and 59, and without dependents, can only receive food stamps for 3 months in a 3-year period unless they are working for at least 20 hours a week or engaged in job training, education, or community service for a certain number of hours each week.

The benefits are intended as short-term assistance for those who can be working, until they can get back on their feet. An increasing number of SNAP households have earnings, which means these are households in which one of the two wage-earners lost their job, or increasing numbers of Americans are in lower-wage jobs or not getting enough hours to cover rising rents, heating, health care costs, and other necessary expenses, including food. 62% of food stamp recipients are either working , disabled, or elderly. Only 18% are able bodied adults with no children.

All of food stamp income is immediately put into circulation in the community - hence cutting food stamps will result in fewer jobs available. Food stamps are structured to encourage people to work more hours - they lose 24 cents for each dollar earned. Overall they are less than 2% of the national budget, all of which goes into support for those living at 130% of the federal poverty rate, and to support stores in the affected areas.

So - now tht a few fcts have been added to the discussion - why are so many here so eager to cut food stamps.
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What kind of a question is that? Why should the recipient minorty's racial or political attributes as such factor into the basic decision on how to build the a last ditch safety net?
 
joG said:
What kind of a question is that? Why should the recipient minorty's racial or political attributes as such factor into the basic decision on how to build the a last ditch safety net?
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Because, to a liberal, everything is about race.

Everything has to look like a nail when all you have is a hammer.
 
Henrin said:
Repeating your attack doesn't make it any more valid. All you're doing with welfare is taking peoples money by force and giving it to others. You can claim that an action of violence towards innocents is empathetic if you want, but you're wrong by accepted social standards of what the word empathy means.
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There can be a positive externality attached to preserving labor quality in citizens that have fallen on hard times for a short period. But testing for merit increases the cost of subsidies and it would probably be best to pay a lump sum to every citizen that would replace testing and tax breaks to reduce costs.
 
Angelus said:
The Food Stamp Capital of the U.S. is WHITE and REPUBLICAN : Political Blind Spot

In spite of the prevailing stereotypes and assumptions about who uses SNAP Food Stamp benefits the most in the United States, the highest usage is not in Compton, Queens, nor the South Side of Chicago. Instead, a city that is 99.22% white and 95% Republican comes in the lead. Owsley County, Kentucky is a community of about 5,000, residents earning the lowest median household income in the country outside of Puerto Rico, according to the U.S. Census.

The decline in the profits from coal, tobacco and lumber industries led to a harsh toll being taken on the community.

The majority of food stamps users are white, Republicans living in the south - a large part of the Republican base. Food stamps are a necessary tool for survival in areas where jobs have disappeared. Work requirements for unemployed food stamps recipients, put in place in 1999, require that able-bodied adults between the ages of 18 and 59, and without dependents, can only receive food stamps for 3 months in a 3-year period unless they are working for at least 20 hours a week or engaged in job training, education, or community service for a certain number of hours each week.

The benefits are intended as short-term assistance for those who can be working, until they can get back on their feet. An increasing number of SNAP households have earnings, which means these are households in which one of the two wage-earners lost their job, or increasing numbers of Americans are in lower-wage jobs or not getting enough hours to cover rising rents, heating, health care costs, and other necessary expenses, including food. 62% of food stamp recipients are either working , disabled, or elderly. Only 18% are able bodied adults with no children.

All of food stamp income is immediately put into circulation in the community - hence cutting food stamps will result in fewer jobs available. Food stamps are structured to encourage people to work more hours - they lose 24 cents for each dollar earned. Overall they are less than 2% of the national budget, all of which goes into support for those living at 130% of the federal poverty rate, and to support stores in the affected areas.

So - now tht a few fcts have been added to the discussion - why are so many here so eager to cut food stamps.
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Not to mention agriculture subsidies.
 
SheWolf said:
Yet the GOP complains the most about black people being on welfare...
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umm no.

we complain that welfare is being used to keep people in the poor house instead of pushing them to get off of it.
that is the problem with the system once you are on it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...term-help-and-long-term-poverty/#1e5bcdda32cd

All federal programs are mean tested meaning the more you make the less you get. well when you don't have the skills to make more
so a person that was making 7.25 jumps to 8.00 or 9.00 they will lose x% of benefits if not most of them.

Why Raising Minimum Wage Means Less Money in Your Pocket | Time.com

the program isn't designed to help people but keep them dependent on government.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repo...-and-welfare-assistance-benefits-in-illinois/

the program should be about helping people off of it not keeping them on it.
 
shrubnose said:
Those who support welfare for those who need and deserve it have empathy.Those who are opposed to it have no empathy.

I have an idea where you stand on this issue.
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Thats the key.
 
Henrin said:
Repeating your attack doesn't make it any more valid.
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All you're doing with welfare is taking peoples money by force and giving it to others. You can claim that an action of violence towards innocents is empathetic if you want, but you're wrong by accepted social standards of what the word empathy means.
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Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces the GOP to a minor,regional party.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces the GOP to a minor,regional party.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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:roll: What does your post have to do with what I said? As for your comment though, considering that immigration is down and birth rates are decreasing south of the border the chances your predication will come to pass is decreasing.
 
ludin said:
umm no.

we complain that welfare is being used to keep people in the poor house instead of pushing them to get off of it.
that is the problem with the system once you are on it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...term-help-and-long-term-poverty/#1e5bcdda32cd

All federal programs are mean tested meaning the more you make the less you get. well when you don't have the skills to make more
so a person that was making 7.25 jumps to 8.00 or 9.00 they will lose x% of benefits if not most of them.

Why Raising Minimum Wage Means Less Money in Your Pocket | Time.com

the program isn't designed to help people but keep them dependent on government.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repo...-and-welfare-assistance-benefits-in-illinois/

the program should be about helping people off of it not keeping them on it.
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Illinois Policy.org? That's on my favorites list. :cool:
 
shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces the GOP to a minor,regional party.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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And since we were talking about empathy maybe you can explain to me how wanting people to be poor and desperate in other countries so they move here and boost your vote tallies is empathetic.

Of course, you might be unaware that people south of the border move here because they're desperate and have no opportunities in their home countries.
 
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ludin said:
umm no.

we complain that welfare is being used to keep people in the poor house instead of pushing them to get off of it.
that is the problem with the system once you are on it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...term-help-and-long-term-poverty/#1e5bcdda32cd

All federal programs are mean tested meaning the more you make the less you get. well when you don't have the skills to make more
so a person that was making 7.25 jumps to 8.00 or 9.00 they will lose x% of benefits if not most of them.

Why Raising Minimum Wage Means Less Money in Your Pocket | Time.com

the program isn't designed to help people but keep them dependent on government.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repo...-and-welfare-assistance-benefits-in-illinois/

the program should be about helping people off of it not keeping them on it.
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Well said.
 
shrubnose said:
You're out of touch with reality.
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If only I had enough empathy to support sending men with guns to force people to pay for my bad ideas. Teach me sensei!

shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change reduces the GOP to a minor,regional party.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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:lamo

Do you charge for use of your crystal ball? You know Generation Z is even more conservative than the one that voted in Trump right? Your side has ZERO institutional power, the regional map is completely red, you've got nothing but WISHFUL THINKING.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
If only I had enough empathy to support sending men with guns to force people to pay for my bad ideas. Teach me sensei!



:lamo

Do you charge for use of your crystal ball? You know Generation Z is even more conservative than the one that voted in Trump right? Your side has ZERO institutional power, the regional map is completely red, you've got nothing but WISHFUL THINKING.
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Yup, according to recent study 18 year olds are more traditional when it comes to family values with sixty percent of them wanting the man to earn more and the woman to take a more traditional role when it comes to raising children. Saying that though, I'm not convinced they actually believe in such values as much as they hate daycare and don't want that for their children. What is funny is that so called progressives are the people of science and yet ignore that daycare is worse for children than the traditional approach.
 
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