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Time to Cut Food Stamp Spending

phattonez

phattonez

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In 2015, the US federal government spent $75 billion on SNAP.

We're also facing an obesity epidemic in this country.
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Given that obesity is concentrated mostly among the poor, it's time to cut SNAP benefits. There's clearly an overabundance of food well above basic dietary requirements, and excessive SNAP benefits are only enabling this gluttony.

Simply cutting SNAP benefits in half would put a decent debt in the federal deficit, and the benefits to health expenses a offer a nice multiplier.
 
phattonez said:
In 2015, the US federal government spent $75 billion on SNAP.

We're also facing an obesity epidemic in this country.
usobesity.gif


Given that obesity is concentrated mostly among the poor, it's time to cut SNAP benefits. There's clearly an overabundance of food well above basic dietary requirements, and excessive SNAP benefits are only enabling this gluttony.

Simply cutting SNAP benefits in half would put a decent debt in the federal deficit, and the benefits to health expenses a offer a nice multiplier.
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They tried a few years back to cut out Sodas from SNAP and WIC but they failed miserably, even thou sugary sodas is a big contribuator to diabeties and the poor have the highest rate of diabeties of any class plus since when is soda supposed to be given to the poor and funded my tax payers, shouldnt they get juices, milk, and water? Ya trying to take something away from the poor will just be turned into its discrimanation against blacks and the liberal judges eat that **** up.
 
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
 
Carjosse said:
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
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Losing weight isn't a matter of eating healthy foods. Losing weight is simply a matter of taking in fewer calories.

Or do you think that poor people in India, who are far more poor, are even fatter?
 
phattonez said:
Losing weight isn't a matter of eating healthy foods. Losing weight is simply a matter of taking in fewer calories.
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Again you have no understanding of how nutrition works, when your food has poorer nutritional quality you have to eat more of it, increasing the calories.
 
Carjosse said:
Again you have no understanding of how nutrition works, when your food has poorer nutritional quality you have to eat more of it, increasing the calories.
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Which is why obesity is a major problem in Ethiopia.
 
Carjosse said:
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
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That's silly. I can do it, in fact over the last 12 months we've transformed our grocery buying and saved money. It's not that's expensive it's harder to make right choices. this meme about being "Expensive" is a cop out bs lie.
 
Carjosse said:
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
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Not if you prepare your meals or eat right. Can shop at places like Aldi and get a dozen eggs for 59 cents and 3 lb bag of boneless chicken breast for $4.
 
Carjosse said:
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
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That's a myth, it takes careful shopping and cooking skills to eat healthy, food has never been cheaper, so long as one is not paying the multinationals for processing/advertising/profits. If one buys raw ingredients in the right place in the right quantities and cooks there is no excuse for not being able to get protein packed meals below $2/person per meal.
 
We should have followed Friedman's NIT idea instead of welfare, we would'nt have these massive costs since we wouldn't have a massive bureaucracy.
 
Looks like those Women and Precious Children for those Pro-Lifers are getting a little expensive. :2razz:
 
whateverdude said:
We should have followed Friedman's NIT idea instead of welfare, we would'nt have these massive costs since we wouldn't have a massive bureaucracy.
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It lowers the bureaucratic costs yes, but that's only a fraction of the expenditures. Besides, we do have NIT, it's called EITC.
 
phattonez said:
In 2015, the US federal government spent $75 billion on SNAP.
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Which 1.8% of the US budget....an insignificant amount

We're also facing an obesity epidemic in this country.
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No correlation, but go on...
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Given that obesity is concentrated mostly among the poor, it's time to cut SNAP benefits. There's clearly an overabundance of food well above basic dietary requirements, and excessive SNAP benefits are only enabling this gluttony.

Simply cutting SNAP benefits in half would put a decent debt in the federal deficit, and the benefits to health expenses a offer a nice multiplier.
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From your own source:

According to Max Schmeiser, Center for Financial Security at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, "There is a preponderance of cheap, processed, calorically dense, fatty food in the United States. Therefore, for those with minimal financial resources, these unhealthy types of food are a primary source of their daily calories resulting in a caloric imbalance that leads to obesity." Combined with their palatability, energy-dense foods with higher levels of sugar and fat can be an attractive choice for those with lower incomes. Diets high in foods with lower energy density but higher nutrients, on the other hand, are linked to those with higher income levels.
For Women in the U.S., Obesity Links to Socioeconomic Status and Poor Diet

...in other words, cutting SNAP, lowering the income for low income citizens....would make the problem WORSE.
 
phattonez said:
In 2015, the US federal government spent $75 billion on SNAP.

We're also facing an obesity epidemic in this country.
usobesity.gif


Given that obesity is concentrated mostly among the poor, it's time to cut SNAP benefits. There's clearly an overabundance of food well above basic dietary requirements, and excessive SNAP benefits are only enabling this gluttony.

Simply cutting SNAP benefits in half would put a decent debt in the federal deficit, and the benefits to health expenses a offer a nice multiplier.
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The funny part is people getting all upset about Trump changing the food guidlines and yet are perfectly fine with our children getting obese through the SNAP program. I worked in retail/grocery for a few years and it was amazing how much junk food and sodas you can buy with an EBT card. But, we need to make sure the schools give our kids a bunch of apples, bananas, and spinach for lunch so that these same kids can devour a box of doughnuts when they get home and for breakfast before they go to school.
 
Carjosse said:
I see you have no understanding of food prices nor nutrition, it is expensive to eat healthy.
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Not at all... buy some broccoli, apples, plain rice, pasta, etc. Simple. Inexpensive.
 
phattonez said:
It lowers the bureaucratic costs yes, but that's only a fraction of the expenditures. Besides, we do have NIT, it's called EITC.
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I was thinking more along the lines of abolishing our current welfare system and replacing it with a guaranteed minimum income sytem with work requirements
 
phattonez said:
Which is why obesity is a major problem in Ethiopia.
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I'm sure they are super healthy. Obesity by itself isn't the problem. It just happens to generally be associated with plenty of bad health conditions. There are plenty of thin people around the world with very poor health.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
That would only work if you could get every able bodied, to work.
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If we have an abundance of jobs, and with these services people can afford to live a healthy functioning life, but they need to work for the services... I'm sure most people will work.
And if they don't, well then they don't get no services. I'm not into things like Universal Basic Income, or Universal healthcare or universal anything.

If you don't work, you ought to starve. And 99% of people, even the laziest among us, will work to eat. We just have to stop enabling them to do so without working. Nobody is so lazy they'd rather starve to death than work.
You just have to stop incentivizing their laziness and they will stop being lazy.

In my opinion, necessity is the cure for laziness. If you're too lazy to run, a gunshot blast might change that.
 
Cigar said:
Except if your the only one armed, and you're in fear for your life.
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In regards to your signature - you're not a free thinker if you are mired in biased partisanship. Free thinkers are not "progressive". They are set in their ways and can't change.
 
I grew up in a poor, SNAP home, so I'm a lil' bit sensitive to the issue. That said, so many of those on SNAP are such irresponsible shoppers and eaters. In some ways I do think it'd better to more limit what can be purchased with food stamps just to force these people into making smarter decisions.
 
phattonez said:
In 2015, the US federal government spent $75 billion on SNAP.

We're also facing an obesity epidemic in this country.
usobesity.gif


Given that obesity is concentrated mostly among the poor, it's time to cut SNAP benefits. There's clearly an overabundance of food well above basic dietary requirements, and excessive SNAP benefits are only enabling this gluttony.

Simply cutting SNAP benefits in half would put a decent debt in the federal deficit, and the benefits to health expenses a offer a nice multiplier.
Click to expand...

phattonetz, always charming the audience,

Try cutting SNAP and see how swiftly Red states, who are high recipients of food stamps, see how swiftly they flip from a conservative position to a liberal one. It's asinine to suggest cutting a program that costs roughly $70-80B, in the context of a Defense Department running a $600 Billion dollar budget. And you want to tell me that poor people and seniors on food stamps, are spending too much of your money. The DoD is spending too much of my money. Trump's DoD hikes in the neighborhood of $60B, will show up as a nice chunk coming out of my paycheck, going towards an expense that I do not approve of.

Cutting food stamps is consequential to spending. Poor people that cannot even afford to buy groceries, aren't stimulating local economy much to begin with, but adding a monthly grocery expense, to an already stringent budget, is setting yourself up for economic failure. All grocery stores should lobby the federal government, against cutting SNAP, and arm themselves with a humanitarian argument, supplemented by an economic brazier. If you cut spending on SNAP.. You cut spending in the community. You damage local economy. you damage personal livelihood.

Anyone advocating for cutting spending on SNAP, is walking into dangerous territory, and making a move only a simpleton would advocate for.
 
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