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What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Justice?

What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Justice?

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I would like people's views on what services constitute a "human right" that must be guaranteed by the government? Or a matter of social justice so as to be mandatory. Does this include:

  1. Health care?
  2. Food?
  3. Housing?
  4. Recreation?
  5. Education?
  6. Broadway-level entertainment?
  7. Legal services for criminal matters?
  8. Legal services for civil matters?
  9. If one is opening a business, government payment of permit fees?
  10. If one is opening a business, government payment of incorporation fees?
  11. If one is running a house of worship and community has insufficient resources, a subsidy?
  12. Summer Camp for Children up to Age 14?
  13. None of the above?

When I tried to create the poll to match the choices above and it timed out. I will as the Moderator to add it.

In order to identify what government services must provided as a matter of a human right, we need to know the universe of such services.

For each of the above what level of services? Can there be inequality in the level or quality of such services?
 
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Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I make enough (working off the books) to provide 2, some 4 and some 6 for myself - how much more "access" do I deserve by way of government assistance? ;)
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Government don't grant human rights. Human rights exist whether a government exists or not.
What you are referring to should government fund people with tax dollars.

Or how far should government go to provide for people.

1. Healthcare the government already supplies healthcare to people how can't afford it.
2. See above.
3.see above
4. Recreation isn't a right.
5. Education is obviously a choice. You are required to attend school,but
That hasn't stopped the high school drop out rate.

6. That isn't a right either.
7. the state supplies a defense if you can't afford one.
8. Nope civil matters are for you to resolve.
9. Why should you not pay for hook ups or new installs?
10. I don't believe in incorporation fees I see it as making it harder for people to open a business.
11. Churches don't get subsidies.
12. Don't see why the state is involved with summer camps.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Government don't grant human rights. Human rights exist whether a government exists or not.
What you are referring to should government fund people with tax dollars.

Or how far should government go to provide for people.

12. Don't see why the state is involved with summer camps.
As an example of how ridiculous government-funded "equality" may be. The argument for health care largely revolves around equality.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Government don't grant human rights. Human rights exist whether a government exists or not.
What you are referring to should government fund people with tax dollars.

Or how far should government go to provide for people.

1. Healthcare the government already supplies healthcare to people how can't afford it.
2. See above.
3.see above
4. Recreation isn't a right.
5. Education is obviously a choice. You are required to attend school,but
That hasn't stopped the high school drop out rate.

6. That isn't a right either.
7. the state supplies a defense if you can't afford one.
8. Nope civil matters are for you to resolve.
9. Why should you not pay for hook ups or new installs?
10. I don't believe in incorporation fees I see it as making it harder for people to open a business.
11. Churches don't get subsidies.
12. Don't see why the state is involved with summer camps.

Healthcare is a service - how can a good/service be considered to be a right?

This is where the "access to" goods/services arguments come into play. If goods/services are to be obtained then the providers of those goods/services (whether public or private) expect (deserve?) to be paid - we are then left to ponder (argue about?) what portion of that payment to the good/service provider is due from the individual (or group) receiving that good/service and how much will be added by society at large (funded via taxation) as a "right".
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Healthcare is a service - how can a good/service be considered to be a right?

This is where the "access to" goods/services arguments come into play. If goods/services are to be obtained then the providers of those goods/services (whether public or private) expect (deserve?) to be paid - we are then left to ponder (argue about?) what portion of that payment to the good/service provider is due from the individual (or group) receiving that good/service and how much will be added by society at large (funded via taxation) as a "right".
I agree with you but many people say "every other civilized country provides health services." They disregard the fact that most other countries are formerly paternalistic monarchies. That beat goes on.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I would like people's views on what services constitute a "human right" that must be guaranteed by the government? Or a matter of social justice so as to be mandatory. Does this include:

  1. Health care?
  2. Food?
  3. Housing?
  4. Recreation?
  5. Education?
  6. Broadway-level entertainment?
  7. Legal services for criminal matters?
  8. Legal services for civil matters?
  9. If one is opening a business, government payment of permit fees?
  10. If one is opening a business, government payment of incorporation fees?
  11. If one is running a house of worship and community has insufficient resources, a subsidy?
  12. Summer Camp for Children up to Age 14?
  13. None of the above?

When I tried to create the poll to match the choices above and it timed out. I will as the Moderator to add it.

In order to identify what government services must provided as a matter of a human right, we need to know the universe of such services.

For each of the above what level of services? Can there be inequality in the level or quality of such services?

The original Constitution spells it out sufficiently. Anything more can be done by the states, and private charities.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

The original Constitution spells it out sufficiently. Anything more can be done by the states, and private charities.

And the Great Depression showed the limits of such a system.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I agree with you but many people say "every other civilized country provides health services." They disregard the fact that most other countries are formerly paternalistic monarchies. That beat goes on.

That still does not make a good/service into a right - it makes "access to" that good service easier for all by use of a public (government?) subsidy. In order to do that then you must tax some or all of that public - thus depriving them of the freedom to use whatever is taken from them via taxation for any other purpose. There is still no free lunch or heart transplant "right" - only shifting (part or all of) the cost of "access to" that lunch or heart transplant to another party.
 
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The original Constitution spells it out sufficiently. Anything more can be done by the states, and private charities.

Too late for that now, the constant growth of federal power and cost is assured.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Too late for that now, the constant growth of federal power and cost is assured.

It can still be rectified.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

It can still be rectified.

Not when we have a fierce competition between the party for a bigger federal government and the party for a huge federal government going on. There is zero chance, short of starting over, for getting all of that toothpaste back into the tube.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

As an example of how ridiculous government-funded "equality" may be. The argument for health care largely revolves around equality.

Not really. The government provides healthcare to people that can't afford it.
If I can afford better care why should I not be able to get it?
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Too late for that now, the constant growth of federal power and cost is assured.

I agree the courts that are supposed to defend and uphold the constitution has failed.
They give more and more power to government while ignoring the limited clause.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I would like people's views on what services constitute a "human right" that must be guaranteed by the government? Or a matter of social justice so as to be mandatory. Does this include:

  1. Health care?
  2. Food?
  3. Housing?
  4. Recreation?
  5. Education?
  6. Broadway-level entertainment?
  7. Legal services for criminal matters?
  8. Legal services for civil matters?
  9. If one is opening a business, government payment of permit fees?
  10. If one is opening a business, government payment of incorporation fees?
  11. If one is running a house of worship and community has insufficient resources, a subsidy?
  12. Summer Camp for Children up to Age 14?
  13. None of the above?

When I tried to create the poll to match the choices above and it timed out. I will as the Moderator to add it.

In order to identify what government services must provided as a matter of a human right, we need to know the universe of such services.

For each of the above what level of services? Can there be inequality in the level or quality of such services?

You put Human Right in quotes... are you imply a distinction between a regular right and a human right? I'm just assuming there is an implied significance but perhaps I am wrong. maybe define what 'you' mean by human right
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Not really. The government provides healthcare to people that can't afford it.
If I can afford better care why should I not be able to get it?
Since health care is a large portion of the GDP inflating its availability to people who can't afford it works a redistribution of wealth.

You put Human Right in quotes... are you imply a distinction between a regular right and a human right? I'm just assuming there is an implied significance but perhaps I am wrong. maybe define what 'you' mean by human right
I don't think there's any right to many of hte items on the list to people who can't or won't pay for them. Many believe, partially correctly, that many poor people allocate what money they have to items that are not necessities and may be harmful. Why do they have a right for me to make up the difference?
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Access to inexpensive 2 door, rear wheel drive, normally aspirated, V8 powered cars in excellent condition AND the legalization of all drugs and prostitution.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Here's what entitlements should consist of IMO:

Healthcare, min. standard, for all incomes
Education, k-16, for all incomes
Food, for low income people
Vacation Pay, for all incomes
Maternity Leave, for all incomes
Daycare, for all incomes

The cost of doing that for society, is not as outlandish as a 600 Billion dollar military, without a major enemy.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I agree the courts that are supposed to defend and uphold the constitution has failed.
They give more and more power to government while ignoring the limited clause.

Is that the same government that enshrined slavery as a human right in the Constitution?
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I agree the courts that are supposed to defend and uphold the constitution has failed.
They give more and more power to government while ignoring the limited clause.

It is not the courts that are wanting to replace, rather than to repeal, PPACA - that is the alleged party of small government seeking to keep that newest federal power to control and subsidize the "private" medical care insurance industry.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Since health care is a large portion of the GDP inflating its availability to people who can't afford it works a redistribution of wealth.
Has nothing to do with what I posted.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

Is that the same government that enshrined slavery as a human right in the Constitution?

Again has nothing to do with what I posted. Human rights exist regardless of government.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

It is not the courts that are wanting to replace, rather than to repeal, PPACA - that is the alleged party of small government seeking to keep that newest federal power to control and subsidize the "private" medical care insurance industry.

This goes beyond the ppaca. The courts have failed to limit the power of government to only those enshrined in the constitution.
Instead it has expanded government power to a level that would be deemed unconstitutional.

The courts give great leeway to government which is the opposite of the constitution.
They should be giving narrow powers or strict interpretation to what the government wants to do.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

This goes beyond the ppaca. The courts have failed to limit the power of government to only those enshrined in the constitution.
Instead it has expanded government power to a level that would be deemed unconstitutional.

The courts give great leeway to government which is the opposite of the constitution.
They should be giving narrow powers or strict interpretation to what the government wants to do.

I agree that is what should be but we can surely agree that is not what has occurred or is likely to occur in the future.
 
Re: What level of Government Services are a "Human Right" or Required for Social Just

I agree that is what should be but we can surely agree that is not what has occurred or is likely to occur in the future.

No we will continue to lose freedom.
 
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