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"Michelle Obama on Trump admin's school lunch policy: "what's wrong with you?"

MTAtech said:
Another one of your posts in which you confuse what you think with what are the facts. You think it, so it must be so isn't how the world runs.

The facts are that there are many Trump voters who are poor and you have no idea if they have trouble providing their children with nutritious breakfasts and lunches. We also know that many of those same Trump voters benefit from Medicare and Social Security when they get old and benefited from expanded Medicaid under Obamacare. What those children may grow up knowing is that government programs can make their lives better. If they're smart they'll learn that Republicans want to take away the programs that make their lives better.
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I concede that some trump voters are poor

And no doubt they take advantage of the federal school lunch program

Who wouldnt?

But trump voters would feed their kids either way
 
jimbo said:
Or better yet, the parents.

It amazes me that the schools are now supposed to be the ones to distribute social justice and and feed the kids, among other things, when do such a bad job in the readin', writin'. and 'rithmetic departments.
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I agree.

However the way schools buy the food they serve is frankly disgusting.
They could easily make better food but all school contract out their food services to
Places like Sysco etc...

Their contracts and requirements make it almost impossible to buy local sometimes.

It wouldn't be hard to send someone to the local farmers market and buy all the vegetables
For lower prices for the week.

It isn't hard to contract to a local butcher and get good quality meat to make lunch with but their contracts and regulations get in the way.
 
Mac77 said:
I concede that some trump voters are poor

And no doubt they take advantage of the federal school lunch program

Who wouldnt?

But trump voters would feed their kids either way
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First, you don't know what Trump voters would do, since you don't know them. Your argument is conjecture.

Second, what's coming out of the Trump WH are decisions not based upon conservative values but based on the question: What would a dick do? Hey, let's mess with a program that makes school lunches better. Let's undo the regulation that said that hunting bullets couldn't be made out of lead -- which used to poison the land and kill birds like bald eagles. Let's undo the regulation that banned a pesticide that harmed children's brains.

There is nothing conservative about undoing any of those regulations. It doesn't make new jobs or save anyone money. It's just what a dick would do when given power.
 
Not a matter the federal government has any business in.

:shrug:
 
Mac77 said:
I grew up on sack lunches at school

It eas rare for me to go throgh the serving line
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If I recall, when I was in grade school, the rule was if you lived within 5 blocks, you went home for lunch. Otherwise you could bring a sack lunch, your choice, but you ate at your desk. No cafeteria. I was in 6th or 7th grade before I ever saw a cafeteria.
 
RickJames3000 said:
That may explain what happened to you... but there are a wide variety of public schools, ranging from excellent to poor.
Sorry you drew the short straw... but you shouldn't generalize based upon your own limited experience.
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It didn't happen to me. Schools concentrated on the R's. Feeding the kids and morals were left to the parents.

Worked pretty well too.
 
jimbo said:
It didn't happen to me. Schools concentrated on the R's. Feeding the kids and morals were left to the parents.

Worked pretty well too.
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OK then.
You aren't talking from personal experience, and thus your crude generalizations are even easier to discount.
 
ludin said:
I agree.

However the way schools buy the food they serve is frankly disgusting.
They could easily make better food but all school contract out their food services to
Places like Sysco etc...

Their contracts and requirements make it almost impossible to buy local sometimes.

It wouldn't be hard to send someone to the local farmers market and buy all the vegetables
For lower prices for the week.

It isn't hard to contract to a local butcher and get good quality meat to make lunch with but their contracts and regulations get in the way.
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I think, too that the larger problem is volume. It's far easier for me to pick through the steaks at the Kroger and find the perfect one or two than for a school system to order a ton of steaks and get the same quality.
 
RickJames3000 said:
OK then.
You aren't talking from personal experience, and thus your crude generalizations are even easier to discount.
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. So discount away.
 
jimbo said:
If I recall, when I was in grade school, the rule was if you lived within 5 blocks, you went home for lunch. Otherwise you could bring a sack lunch, your choice, but you ate at your desk. No cafeteria. I was in 6th or 7th grade before I ever saw a cafeteria.
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You are remembering local control where your community made its own rules and was not dictated by some pinhead in washington
 
Mac77 said:
You are remembering local control where your community made its own rules and was not dictated by some pinhead in washington
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True. That was before Department of Education even existed.
 
Mac77 said:
I think the original intent of government funded school lunches was to feed hungry children

And when the feds started throwing free money at the schools they took it

And got used to

And now are hooked on it

But its not so free anymore because the educators and the children now have to dance for the money to music chosen by michelle obama

And they dont like it
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its called the carrot and stick approach.
 
Mac77 said:
The problem with your argument is that trump voters would feed their kids with or without a federal school lunch program

And those kids would not grow up thinking government owes them something
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Well, that clearly only happens on Fox News. Here in the real world, kids in Trump voting counties all over the country are going hungry. They will go hungry, not get an education, and keep voting for the likes of Trump.

Hey, wait...I see how this is supposed to work now...
 
jimbo said:
I think, too that the larger problem is volume. It's far easier for me to pick through the steaks at the Kroger and find the perfect one or two than for a school system to order a ton of steaks and get the same quality.
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If you have the money, you can still pick your own steak. There may be times when you can't get anything at Kroger. It's OK to have a safety net in place so you don't crack your skull until you can get back on your feet.

Private schools thrive all over the country. It doesn't mean we should get rid of the public schools, though.
 
ataraxia said:
Good nutrition in childhood has been found to be a key foundation of learning and being able to pay attention. Many kids, contrary to popular opinion especially in the right, come from food insecure homes. The food they get at school may be the only decent meal they get all day, and the only chance to provide them with the nutrients they will need to grow in a healthy manner both physically, mentally, and emotionally.

Well Mrs. Obama, when you come from a world view that believes that success or failure is purely dependent on the individual, and has nothing to do with social support or socioeconomic situation, I can see how stuff like this can happen. Let the kids go hungry, and then when they fail, tell them because it's because they're stupid and lazy. That will teach them to be more responsible, right?
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I respect and admire Mrs Obama's efforts and motivation. I believe we needed to go in this direction, but...

1) I believe she/we took it too far. Or, at least too far too fast. There are credible reports that too many kids are simply throwing the food in the trash can because they don't like the taste. I've read reports that kids who participate in after-school sports weren't getting enough calories to carry them through the day. That's unacceptable, too.

2) If I understand correctly, the administration didn't roll back anything at all, they only halted the next steps. Presumably for the time being to consider them further, but who knows.

This is something that warrants attention, but I don't think it's the big hoo-haw that some are making it out to be. At least not yet. If the administration starts rolling back items, then we can get upset.
 
ataraxia said:
If you have the money, you can still pick your own steak. There may be times when you can't get anything at Kroger. It's OK to have a safety net in place so you don't crack your skull until you can get back on your feet.

Private schools thrive all over the country. It doesn't mean we should get rid of the public schools, though.
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How did private schools become involved in this thread? I was talking about a probable reason why mass purchasers tend to favor large quantity over quality.
 
jimbo said:
I was talking about a probable reason why mass purchasers tend to favor large quantity over quality.
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I see. That seems to explain why the free market just can't fix everything, and we need some oversight and regulation.
 
ataraxia said:
I see. That seems to explain why the free market just can't fix everything, and we need some oversight and regulation.
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Very few favor a 100% free market, but again, that's not the subject of this thread. School lunches and Michelle are.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How does not requiring a 100% whole-grain-rich standard or meeting very low sodium targets and allowing *gasp* 1% dairy fat in flavored milk "let kids go hungry"? These dietary changes advocated by Michele Obama were made to fight childhood obesity - not to fight hunger.
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I think there is quite a bit wrong with the food policies of public school. Though I do think that at this point, lunch should be provided as standard with public education. And as you say, there should be some real dietary guidelines and rules. In other countries, children eat incredibly well as part of school provided menus, and we should provide the same. Good nutrition is also important part of learning.
 
Bottom-line.
There was no reason for such guidelines in the first place. They were not needed and were not wanted.

Even the School Nutrition Association agrees with the new change.
 
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