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ACA Passes House

Critter7r said:
All this bloviating, I'll add some .... If I were to guess, (and I am), probably 80-90% of people with insurance have exactly 1 problem with it: it's too expensive. They don't come across issues with preexisting conditions, religious zealots denying birth control, or having to pay out of pocket for chemo because of some unseen fine print.

Everyone complaining about how horrible the ACA was .. meh, I didn't even notice it's passage with regards to my employer-provided health insurance.

People are arguing the health insurance laws as if it's life and death for every single citizen in the country, when really it's not going to materially change anything for a large majority.
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Quite true. The vast majority of the electorate have stable insurance on place. Almost a solution in search of a problem.

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eohrnberger said:
Quite true. The vast majority of the electorate have stable insurance on place. Almost a solution in search of a problem.

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Even so, the ACA has an effect. The ACA states what coverage those plan must include -- such as mo deductible immunizations. Plus, they mandate that children may stay on those plans until 26.

Better, with the ability to buy on the marketplace and not be discriminated against for preexisting conditions, people aren't slaves to their jobs -- afraid to quit and go out on their own.
 
MTAtech said:
Even so, the ACA has an effect. The ACA states what coverage those plan must include -- such as mo deductible immunizations. Plus, they mandate that children may stay on those plans until 26.

Better, with the ability to buy on the marketplace and not be discriminated against for preexisting conditions, people aren't slaves to their jobs -- afraid to quit and go out on their own.
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I wonder if there have been any studies that support this assertion. I really don't get the sense that people who make job change decisions feel they are 'slaves to their jobs' preventing them from making those decisions, but I might be wrong.
 
Perotista said:
To some it was needed, to others not so. That is why at first, back in 2009 and 2010 only around 40% of all Americans were for it and around 55% against it. If you had insurance, most people were either happy with it or satisfied. They didn't want a major overhaul, they wanted those who didn't have health insurance a way to get it, but to leave them alone.

The problem is most Americans don't like huge gigantic steps, they like little steps at a time. They are use to doing things one way, comfortable with it. They don't want to be taken out of their comfort zone. The ACA did just that, although the ACA had no effect on at least half of all Americans and probably more. Being taken out of their comfort zone resulted in a 63 seat loss for the Democrats in the 2010 midterm.

I think this will have the same effect to the Republicans. The people are now comfortable with the ACA, it may be in trouble with insurance companies pulling out leaving some states next year with but one health insurance company. Five if I remember the article right along with 9 having but two to choose from.

From my perspective the ACA has many problems, some probably fatal. I think the GOP's repeal and replace will have just as many problems and perhaps many more. But what is needed is for the two parties to sit down together and work to fix healthcare. Could it be the name is what is causing all the problems? By that I mean the Democrats want to fix Obamacare, but if fixing Obama care to suit all of Americas healthcare needs means changing the name, they won't do it. If keeping the name Obamacare while adopting fixes the Republicans like that would enhance the overall healthcare, the Republicans won't do it.

Stalemate, checkmate, all Americans lose. What do you think?
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While I don't agree 100%, I approve of 98% of this message. :mrgreen:

One thing I'd like to point out, however, is that ObamaCare is the generic name for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (short version title: The Affordable Care Act or ACA). Eventually, people will start calling the American Health Care Act the AHC or TrumpCare if they aren't already doing it.

Sidenote: Interesting observation...

I've gone through this entire thread and and there seem to be only 1 pro-GOP post who had something negative to say but it had nothing to do with the American healthcare system whether pro-or anti-Obamacare or pro-ACHA, just some cheap shots at Canadian insurance coverage. I figured since repeal and replace of ObamaCare was so vigorously championed by the Right they'd be tripping all over themselves with glee upon learning that a repeal and replace bill finally made it out of the House. Guess they don't like what they're learning about the House GOP bill any more than anyone else.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I wonder if there have been any studies that support this assertion. I really don't get the sense that people who make job change decisions feel they are 'slaves to their jobs' preventing them from making those decisions, but I might be wrong.
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Funny you should ask:

If one has a preexisting condition and on an employer based health insurance plan, you aren't going to give that up to start a business. Make health care universal, and that isn't a risk any longer.
 
Groups opposing the American Health Care Act:



AARP
American Medical Association

American Hospital Association & Federation of American Hospitals
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network
American Health Care Association (AHCA)
America’s Essential HospitalsAmerica’s Hospitals and Health Systems
AFL-CIO
American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees
National Council of La Raza (NCLR)
Asian & Pacific Islander American Health Forum
National Committee to Preserve Social Security & MedicareNational Center for Transgender Equality
Catholic Health Association of the United StatesNational Education Association
American Federation for Suicide Prevention
Cystic Fibrosis Foundation
HIV Medicine Association
Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
MomsRising

Children’s Defense Fund:

Families USA
Consumers Union

Sister Simone Campbell, NETWORK Advocates for Catholic Social Justice
 
Another attempt to widen the spread of national well being..Both parties are now guilty of using the poor as economic fodder for the well off. Same old stuff, different day..
 
Objective Voice said:
While I don't agree 100%, I approve of 98% of this message. :mrgreen:

One thing I'd like to point out, however, is that ObamaCare is the generic name for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (short version title: The Affordable Care Act or ACA). Eventually, people will start calling the American Health Care Act the AHC or TrumpCare if they aren't already doing it.

Sidenote: Interesting observation...

I've gone through this entire thread and and there seem to be only 1 pro-GOP post who had something negative to say but it had nothing to do with the American healthcare system whether pro-or anti-Obamacare or pro-ACHA, just some cheap shots at Canadian insurance coverage. I figured since repeal and replace of ObamaCare was so vigorously championed by the Right they'd be tripping all over themselves with glee upon learning that a repeal and replace bill finally made it out of the House. Guess they don't like what they're learning about the House GOP bill any more than anyone else.
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I don't think it is or has anything to do with what's in the bill. Most don't get or go into depth in the details. For most, at least on this site I think if it is my side that passes it, I'm for it or if it is the other side that passes it, I'm against it. Whether the bill is good, bad or indifferent is irrelevant. Yes, I would expect those pro-Trumpers to be gushing all over themselves. But it might be more than that.

There is the senate where they have to get this thing through. It's not going anywhere if it is brought up as regular legislation, it would require 60 votes for cloture which isn't going happen. Another avenue is to bring it up as a revenue bill like the original ACA was which would require only a majority vote, 51. But if Trump-care results in a negative revenue according to the senate rules or the Byrd rule Trumpcare can't be brought up as a revenue producer. Then I suppose there is always the nuclear option. That is if McConnell really wants this thing passed.

But playing politics, McConnell and company might figure they will be better off letting the Democrats filibuster this thing, thus defeating it. Then when and if what I am reading in different articles are correct, there will be far fewer health insurance companies as members of the ACA come 1 Jan next year. The ACA will be closer to self imploding that it ever has been. With Democrats filibustering and defeating Trumpcare, the Republicans then could point the finger at the Democrats stating they had offered up a fix, a plan to make healthcare better and the Democrats said no. I'm not sure that those Republicans up for re-election next year want this thing to pass.

As long as the ACA is alive, anything that goes wrong with healthcare, the Democrats are to blame. Pass Trumpcare, the Republicans assume ownership of healthcare. Far fetched? Perhaps. These Trumpers and other Republicans spent 8 years ranting against Obamacare, perhaps they don't want to be ranted against as the new owners of healthcare. I don't know, but I do know there are several Republicans pooping in their pants this morning because this thing passed the GOP house. They want Obamacare as a campaign issue, to use against the Democrats when 7 states has only one insurance company that offers insurance in those state and perhaps Iowa with none. With Iowa having none, you can be sure Iowa would be front and central in every campaign ad the GOP can throw at the Democrats next year. I can see it now, them asking how long will it be before your state has insurance companies to insure you. Thank the Democrats for that. Now vote for me and we'll fix it with our plan which the Democrats defeated last year. It's all their fault.
 
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