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Liberal Mayor Vetoes $15 Min Wage

Yeah, every time I see that defense of the Seattle minimum wage I have to shake my head. When it came to PASSING the minimum wage hike the proponents were all about the poor minimum wage worker and how they were effected. Now that it is passed the defense of the minimum wage hike is to use broad spectrum employment numbers that don't actually look at minimum wage earners specifically. It's like they stopped caring about minimum wage earners or something!

What is the employment rate in the lower skilled, minimum wage job market in Seattle? Does anyone have those numbers? I don't think the minimum wage crusaders really care.

THe BLS reports are a bit cumbersome. It would be a lot of work to dig out all jobs like that. but I can tell you a some of the occupations unemployment rate and wage in the Seattle area.

Food Prep and Servers, including fast food 4.7% unemp. mean hourly wage 11.96$
Counter, Concession and Coffeeshop 16.2% unemp mean hourly wage 12.44$
Janitors and Cleaners 6.4% unemp mean hourly wage 15.40$
Maids and Housekeeping 10.5% unemp mean hourly wage 12.85$
Landscaping and Groundskeeping 9.0% unemp mean hourly wage 17.84$
Ushers and Ticket Takers 13.1% unemp mean hourly wage 13.86$
Amusement and Recreatation attendants 11.2% unemp mean hourly wage 12.11$

The minimum wage increase in the Seattle area isn't fully in effect yet. employers with more than 500 employees must pay either 15 or 13.50 depending on if benefits are provided.
Smaller employers are either 13 or 11 right now. there are increases set each year for the next 3 years still.
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.

Not sure where you live. I don't live in a 'very blue state' as you do but if you know your way around a computer and can do basic troubleshooting the company I work for starts people out at about 15.50 or so plus bonuses. most of the new people make around 17.50 to 18 an hour. could always move..
 
The answer remains NOT raising the minimum wage on low skilled jobs but rather create more middle to upper middle income high skilled career jobs.
 
Yeah, every time I see that defense of the Seattle minimum wage I have to shake my head. When it came to PASSING the minimum wage hike the proponents were all about the poor minimum wage worker and how they were effected. Now that it is passed the defense of the minimum wage hike is to use broad spectrum employment numbers that don't actually look at minimum wage earners specifically. It's like they stopped caring about minimum wage earners or something!

What is the employment rate in the lower skilled, minimum wage job market in Seattle? Does anyone have those numbers? I don't think the minimum wage crusaders really care.

Hiking the minimum wage has never been about benefiting minimum wage workers. It's all about union contracts. Many are tied to the minimum wage, with automatic raises or renegotiations when it goes up. ;)
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.

What is your degree in?
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.

You wasted your college education if that is your end result. Many owe student loans and earn even less than you. College should be used as a means to get a good paying job or at least be able to get into a field with wage growth potential. Otherwise all you are doing is going to college to party and to graduate so that you can say you have a college education. It is rather pointless if you don't have a goal other than just being able to say you have a college education. The fact that you went to and graduated college without having a set game plan for a good paying job is your fault, not the one percenter's fault.
 
I believe certain jobs should have minimum wages. We need to work toward understanding that anything below X dollars isn't really an actual job. We need to make sure people are educated and can be there full potential.

Shouldnt that X wage be determined by acceptance of that wage? We already have minimum wages. They are set between employee and employer negotiation.
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.

$12 an hour is $2000 a month. You cant make rent on that?
 
California raised it's minimum wage to $10.50 and hour.

And it was so popular, they got a veto proof legislature which just about to vote on Jerry Browns $5.5 billion a year passel of new taxes, supposedly to fix roads... which don't get fixed. So every conveyance that rolls is going to have increased costs, and that will impact the prices every business pays for it's goods.

It has not been signed yet, but since we are supporting half of Mexico, it's a slam dunk.
 
If someone could tell me where I can find one of these $15/hr jobs, please let me know. I have a college education and I make $12. At $15, I might actually be able to pay rent.

You say you are in a blue state. So there is lots of competition for your job. You are competing with an illegal alien who will work cash on weekends. That's how they make a minimum wage job pay the rent. If you are going to compete with them, you have to think like them.

BTW, what was your major? In California STEM is mostly slave labor.. Ahem, cough, I mean, H2B visa's from India.
 
You say you are in a blue state. So there is lots of competition for your job. You are competing with an illegal alien who will work cash on weekends.

Shouldn't jobs increase with population at a proportional rate? "With more people there is more to do, but don't worry you have the people required for the amount of work" kind of thing.

I don't get why people are complaining.
 
Shouldn't jobs increase with population at a proportional rate? "With more people there is more to do, but don't worry you have the people required for the amount of work" kind of thing.

I don't get why people are complaining.

They will come back when we stop sending our manufacturing overseas, and pry open overseas markets creating fair trade.
 
English. Which I realize now was really dumb.

I wouldn't call it dumb. Were you planning to teach?

You're still young, aren't you? It's never too late to study something else.
 
I wouldn't call it dumb. Were you planning to teach?

You're still young, aren't you? It's never too late to study something else.

I had no idea what my plan was. I had just spent 2 years in a Franciscan monastery trying to be a priest. I was entering my junior year and I had to pick a major. Taking a year off was not an option because of my mother, who never finished her degree and was convinced that any degree was better than no degree.

I'm not that young anymore. Going back to school is financially not an option. Good or bad, I'm stuck with what I've got.
 
Not really. Those are the conditions of my life. I have 2 kids and I live in Minnesota.

It's up to you to do something about it. I didn't have any college at all and I moved up in life. It can be done. When I was young I was a dumb and stupid and immature Democrat in a minimum wage job, hoping for the minimum wage to go up. I quickly realized that anyone making minimum wage and waiting for the minimum wage to go up was NEVER going to have a good life so I took the bull by the horn and did something about it, as I said, with no college. Your only goal in life is to go from making more than minimum wage now to hoping to be making a minimum wage (of $15 per hour). That's your goal, to earn minimum wage. Most liberals just don't understand that if your minimum wage went up to $15 per hour, your expenses would be higher than they are now, they wouldn't stay the same. Every time you went to the grocery, to restaurants, to the movies, to Walmart, to the bars, to out on dates, you would be paying more than you are paying now so that you would still be having the very same hard time of making ends mean then as you do now. That's your goal in life. Get a game plan in mind better than sitting around waiting for minimum wage to go up. By the way, I used to live in the Cities and loved it. My favorite part of the country to live in.
 
I had no idea what my plan was. I had just spent 2 years in a Franciscan monastery trying to be a priest. I was entering my junior year and I had to pick a major. Taking a year off was not an option because of my mother, who never finished her degree and was convinced that any degree was better than no degree.

I'm not that young anymore. Going back to school is financially not an option. Good or bad, I'm stuck with what I've got.

Well, I wish you all the best, and hope you find something you enjoy, and can make a couple of bucks while you're at it. :)

I'm a tradesman myself, I was lucky enough to have some innate mechanical ability. I absolutely love my work, but, it's hard on the ole body, and I sure won't be able to do it forever.
 
When it comes to minimum wage arguments too many people think of corporate giants like Wal-Mart or McDonald's, who can definitely afford it. The problem are the smaller owner/operators. It makes starting up a business more difficult. It is an issue I go back and forth on.

Its actually funny... Looking at even larger chains can they really afford it?

What people dont understand is the real dollar per cost. People think they can just demand X wages and benefits. Without respect to product.

Think about, Walmart or Even McDonalds. How many "Products do they have to sell to break even"

McDonalds - A meal cost $5-$10 on the average. With regards to the meal itself, what is the net cost of the actual meal? Lets say 10% so $.50 on a $5meal, or $1 on a $10 meal,

$4.50 net cost... Now the reasonable person wont think this far, but HOW many of these meals, does a business have to sell, daily to break even.... after wages, benefits, rent, taxes...blah blah blah blah....A hell of a lot of $5 meals have to be served daily.

Now Add Walmart, Walmart has to have their Stores Stocked, with product... these product sits, and sits.... and sits until sold. Yet there are employees daily. There products as well are nothing like a Cheeseburger meal. a $500 TV, likely cost them $50-$100 at least and the dont make any money until someone buys it. So the MILLIONS of dollars in the warehouse around the nation, and add in the Wages, benefits etc....How does one pay for this.


By setting an unreasonable Wage limit, you devalue hard work and quality work. an 18 year old lazy kid, will get paid the same as struggling hard working mother, because the pay gap is not able to pay the hard working person more. There is NO incentive for quality work. People just want equality, without deserving it.

$15 minimum wage doesnt help anyone. It forces business, to increase their product cost to keep up with the cost ratio. Devalues Work ethics and production.

Im gald someone had the balls to veto it, I hope we can get rid of these ridiculous $15 wage request as again......$15 = $31,200 in wages a year...... do the math, how is that sustainable for small business? Likely the owner is not even getting paid that much after taxes and you expect them to pay their workers more than the Employer makes? The employer will laugh and say I dont need to work this hard to get paid less than my workers I will go to McDonalds and flip burgers......


Devalues EVERYTHING...
 
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