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Tax Reform Predictions

CriticalThought said:
Ok, coming off the healthcare defeat, this seems like the next big ticket item on the GOP's legislative agenda. I could see several possible outcomes.

1: Nothing changes. Same as healthcare. No agreement can be found.

2: No Reform, Big Tax Cuts, Big Deficit: I think this is most likely. They fail on reforms and just decide to do the one thing they can all agree on, cut taxes. Of course, that will likely lead to a huge deficit.

3: Big Reform: Trump gets most of what he wants and pushes some infrastructure funding in there as well. National debt goes up big time but he fulfills one campaign pledge.

4:Trump betrays the working class: Trump compromises and strips everything from tax reform that may help the working class voters who voted for him. This seems the second most likely option.

Thoughts?
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One more thought, as one as to what I think the Trump admin and Republican congress would be wise to do.

Skip taxes, what you are trying to do will likely sink like the HC fiasco.

Go for infrastructure. Go big. You will need to figure out a way to get members on board and that will be difficult w/o earmarks. Unlike your HC idea, everyone except the "freedom" caucus knows it's necessary, and done right it can create jobs. Forget that right flank and bridge the gap with some dem support. Let Trump try being master negotiator with something most aren't going to reject from the get-go. If he does and fails, let's get William Shatner to try his skills. Those "negotiator" commercials were funny.
 
Porkuloss said:
One more thought, as one as to what I think the Trump admin and Republican congress would be wise to do.

Skip taxes, what you are trying to do will likely sink like the HC fiasco.

Go for infrastructure. Go big. You will need to figure out a way to get members on board and that will be difficult w/o earmarks. Unlike your HC idea, everyone except the "freedom" caucus knows it's necessary, and done right it can create jobs. Forget that right flank and bridge the gap with some dem support. Let Trump try being master negotiator with something most aren't going to reject from the get-go. If he does and fails, let's get William Shatner to try his skills. Those "negotiator" commercials were funny.
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You don't understand what infrastructure means. To liberals, infrastructure spending means adding money to the debt to stimulate the economy. To conservatives, infrastructure spending means not adding to the national debt to stimulate the economy. Conservatives are not going to run up the national debt in the name of infrastructure spending.
 
Moderate Right said:
You don't understand what infrastructure means. To liberals, infrastructure spending means adding money to the debt to stimulate the economy. To conservatives, infrastructure spending means not adding to the national debt to stimulate the economy. Conservatives are not going to run up the national debt in the name of infrastructure spending.
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I get it. Reagan and GWB were liberals. GHWB (the sane one, wasn't).

Too bad. The MAN says conservatives are cucked.

Washington (CNN)Steve Bannon has no regrets.

The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good."
"Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing," he said in an interview published Friday, his first outside of Breitbart since the election.
Briebart News, which Bannon has been associated with since its start in 2007, has been vehemently pro-Trump throughout his presidential campaign, and is also known for pushing nationalist policy positions, as well as conspiracy theories, and has been criticized as being racist, sexist and anti-Semitic.
The interview largely didn't address Bannon's previous controversies, though he denied being a "white nationalist."
RELATED: Donald Trump settles Trump University lawsuits
"I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he said in the interview. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f---ed over. If (the Trump White House delivers), we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we'll govern for 50 years. That's what the Democrats missed. They were talking to these people with companies with a $9 billion market cap employing nine people. It's not reality. They lost sight of what the world is about."
RELATED: What is Donald Trump's staff doing in Washington?
Bannon also said he wanted to scrap the establishment Republican Party and start anew with Trump's movement.
"Like (Andrew) Jackson's populism, we're going to build an entirely new political movement," he said. "It's everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Shipyards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution -- conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement."

That's Donald's brain. Unless Kushner or Ivanka break in.

Steve Bannon: 'Darkness is good' - CNNPolitics.com
 
Moderate Right said:
You don't understand what infrastructure means. To liberals, infrastructure spending means adding money to the debt to stimulate the economy. To conservatives, infrastructure spending means not adding to the national debt to stimulate the economy. Conservatives are not going to run up the national debt in the name of infrastructure spending.
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That is correct. Republicans might, tho.
 
cpwill said:
That is correct. Republicans might, tho.
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"You have your hads, and your had nots, because those that have are very rare find indeed." - Uncle Sam talking to the fake news.

The tax reforms are merely more money for the elite rich and a few pennies for the rest. If it can improve our Country's economy (will be the moto) but will it if we continue to waste federal tax dollars & not protect our borders?
 
Moderate Right said:
Conservatives are not going to run up the national debt in the name of infrastructure spending.
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You should let me use that as a sig quote. It is refreshingly naive if you think Trump and the GOP are not going to borrow to pay for his wall and $1 trillion infastructure.
 
CriticalThought said:
Ok, coming off the healthcare defeat, this seems like the next big ticket item on the GOP's legislative agenda. I could see several possible outcomes.

1: Nothing changes. Same as healthcare. No agreement can be found.

2: No Reform, Big Tax Cuts, Big Deficit: I think this is most likely. They fail on reforms and just decide to do the one thing they can all agree on, cut taxes. Of course, that will likely lead to a huge deficit.

3: Big Reform: Trump gets most of what he wants and pushes some infrastructure funding in there as well. National debt goes up big time but he fulfills one campaign pledge.

4:Trump betrays the working class: Trump compromises and strips everything from tax reform that may help the working class voters who voted for him. This seems the second most likely option.

Thoughts?
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I think #4, sadly. The corporate lobbyists have done this kind of **** all over the states, and now they have a clear shot at doing it in Washington.

The Obamacare repeal was just a temporary setback. There are plenty of other ways for the Republicans to **** over the common man, all too many of whom supported Donald.
 
Porkuloss said:
I get it. Reagan and GWB were liberals. GHWB (the sane one, wasn't).

Too bad. The MAN says conservatives are cucked.

Washington (CNN)Steve Bannon has no regrets.

The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good."
"Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing," he said in an interview published Friday, his first outside of Breitbart since the election.
Briebart News, which Bannon has been associated with since its start in 2007, has been vehemently pro-Trump throughout his presidential campaign, and is also known for pushing nationalist policy positions, as well as conspiracy theories, and has been criticized as being racist, sexist and anti-Semitic.
The interview largely didn't address Bannon's previous controversies, though he denied being a "white nationalist."
RELATED: Donald Trump settles Trump University lawsuits
"I'm a nationalist. I'm an economic nationalist," he said in the interview. "The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f---ed over. If (the Trump White House delivers), we'll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we'll govern for 50 years. That's what the Democrats missed. They were talking to these people with companies with a $9 billion market cap employing nine people. It's not reality. They lost sight of what the world is about."
RELATED: What is Donald Trump's staff doing in Washington?
Bannon also said he wanted to scrap the establishment Republican Party and start anew with Trump's movement.
"Like (Andrew) Jackson's populism, we're going to build an entirely new political movement," he said. "It's everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Shipyards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution -- conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement."

That's Donald's brain. Unless Kushner or Ivanka break in.

Steve Bannon: 'Darkness is good' - CNNPolitics.com
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What on Earth are you babbling about? Another liberal post that thinks that the more words you use the more you have proven your point.
 
CriticalThought said:
You should let me use that as a sig quote. It is refreshingly naive if you think Trump and the GOP are not going to borrow to pay for his wall and $1 trillion infastructure.
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Funny how the left claims that the wall is not infrastrucure and then turns right around and claims it is. Which way is it? Pick one way and stick with it.
 
My prediction is a)Donald Trump will pay less taxes when he leaves office because of these tax adjustments.

abd b) the deficit will rise hugely if the tax adjustments go through (especially now that Trumpcare has failed - which was supposed to save a bundle of federal spending).
 
Porkuloss said:
One more thought, as one as to what I think the Trump admin and Republican congress would be wise to do.

Skip taxes, what you are trying to do will likely sink like the HC fiasco.

Go for infrastructure. Go big. You will need to figure out a way to get members on board and that will be difficult w/o earmarks. Unlike your HC idea, everyone except the "freedom" caucus knows it's necessary, and done right it can create jobs. Forget that right flank and bridge the gap with some dem support. Let Trump try being master negotiator with something most aren't going to reject from the get-go. If he does and fails, let's get William Shatner to try his skills. Those "negotiator" commercials were funny.
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Youre basically arguing for the GOP to become liberal. Why cant the Dems ever get along instead? I didnt hear them offering any plans to help the GOP fix obamacare. I dont see them offering to help reform the tax code.
 
Moderate Right said:
What on Earth are you babbling about? Another liberal post that thinks that the more words you use the more you have proven your point.
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Okay, let me simplify it for you : Conservatives will vote for tax cuts regardless of how it affects the deficit.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon have both promised a trillion dollar infrastructure spending package - as a "stimulus". The type the Republican party was dead set against for the last 8 years.

The idea that the Republican party is "conservative" or "fiscally responsible" is proved a lie by history.
 
Porkuloss said:
Okay, let me simplify it for you : Conservatives will vote for tax cuts regardless of how it affects the deficit.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon have both promised a trillion dollar infrastructure spending package - as a "stimulus". The type the Republican party was dead set against for the last 8 years.

The idea that the Republican party is "conservative" or "fiscally responsible" is proved a lie by history.
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Just because Trump promises something doesn't mean the Republican party will go for it. Look at the healthcare reform. The Republican party doesnt work like the Dems. They are not united in a common goal of defeating the opposition. They dont do whatever a President with an R next to their name says. It worked the same way under Bush.
 
jonny5 said:
Just because Trump promises something doesn't mean the Republican party will go for it. Look at the healthcare reform. The Republican party doesnt work like the Dems. They are not united in a common goal of defeating the opposition. They dont do whatever a President with an R next to their name says. It worked the same way under Bush.
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You are ignoring a lot of history.
 
jonny5 said:
Which you will now elaborate on since this is a debate forum and not a comments forum.
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Okay, that isn't exactly difficult:
"They are not united in a common goal of defeating the opposition. " Like spending 8 years operating under the openly stated rule of opposing anything Obama proposed?

"They dont do whatever a President with an R next to their name says. It worked the same way under Bush." Sure, because 2 unfunded wars, 2 unfunded tax cuts, and a shiney new unfunded mandate called Medicare-D were actually "conservative".:lamo
 
Porkuloss said:
Okay, let me simplify it for you : Conservatives will vote for tax cuts regardless of how it affects the deficit.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon have both promised a trillion dollar infrastructure spending package - as a "stimulus". The type the Republican party was dead set against for the last 8 years.

The idea that the Republican party is "conservative" or "fiscally responsible" is proved a lie by history.
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For the most part, Trump's infrastructure plan is not about adding money onto the deficit. That's what you guys can't get through your thick skulls. Infrastructure spending does not have to be added to the deficit, except in the minds of liberals.
 
Porkuloss said:
Okay, that isn't exactly difficult:
"They are not united in a common goal of defeating the opposition. " Like spending 8 years operating under the openly stated rule of opposing anything Obama proposed?

"They dont do whatever a President with an R next to their name says. It worked the same way under Bush." Sure, because 2 unfunded wars, 2 unfunded tax cuts, and a shiney new unfunded mandate called Medicare-D were actually "conservative".:lamo
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Seems like youre ignoring history. During those (6 years actually), when they had majorities they still couldnt pass anything, and they had a Tea Party uprising which knocked out their own leadership. Republicans during Obama were as opposed to themselved as they were Obama. As for Bush, I never said they were conservative. I said they didnt do whatever the President said. They opposed Amnesty. Medicare Part D was actually a congressional idea and Republicans initially opposed their own idea and the bill barely passed. This is why Republicans lost congress in 2006, and why they opposed some of the actions Bush and Dems wanted during the recession, and which led directly to the tea party.

It all adds up to exactly what I said. Republicans are not united in partisan domination like the Dems are.:2dancing:
 
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