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Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budget.

Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Reducing spending tax revenues is good.

How so? (Better yet, just put "reducing spending tax revenues" in more understandable phrasing.)

It's almost comical how many rules and regulations impact everything.

Google something as common as a doorway and ask how many regulations impact them and you get more than a million hits.

There are a lot of regulations, no doubt. But one thing I learned in law school was that behind almost every regulation or goofy-sounding legal decision, there was good reasoning underneath, often out of sight from the casual observer. Laws and regulations are seldom enacted because of a single incident. So it is completely reckless to just start hacking away at laws and regulations for the sake of making life easier. A more surgical approach is what is called for, and this administration is about as surgical as a battle axe.


In school, one of my classmates was a history major who noted that there were no building codes in Ancient Greece. However, if a building collapsed and killed anyone, the builder was also killed.

The result? The Parthenon stood intact until it was blown up in modern times.

I feel that in many cases, the rules and regulations in force today do more to make the rules makers happy than to help the population.

Building codes are one of the most beneficial classes of regulation I can think of offhand. Bad example.

I read a very good argument from a guy whose wife wanted to sell baked goods on the side. He linked to his state's code on the subject, and it was certainly intimidating. There were a lot of hoops to jump through if you wanted to sell baked goods - a P.I.T.A. if you were having a bake sale, but do-able if you wanted to start a small business. When I checked my own states code on the subject, it was much less onerous. (I'm pretty sure that every state, plus D.C. and P.R., has their own unique code on the subject, which should make the states'-righters think twice about their position.) On the other hand, incidents of food poisoning are now pretty rare. And we don't have to kill the offenders to feel safe in the food we eat.

So I'm not up for doing away with regulations until I hear the arguments for both sides. And I think that if everybody heard both sides and weighed the evidence, our present zeal for deregulation would dissipate quickly.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

That does not mean the counter argument should not be made.


I just think that making the argument to the trump administration is a waste of breath.

If you really want to make the argument that the NIH should have its funding cut because of a few dishonest researchers, that's probably better suited for a different thread.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

I just think that making the argument to the trump administration is a waste of breath.

If you really want to make the argument that the NIH should have its funding cut because of a few dishonest researchers, that's probably better suited for a different thread.

I have not noticed any great movement among DJT's opponents to make reasoned arguments.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

I have not noticed any great movement among DJT's opponents to make reasoned arguments.

Then you haven't been watching.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Today we have ground forces who cannot deploy and air squadrons who cannot fly because there's been no money for maintaining/replacing equipment.

That is likely because it is (always?) being spent on the "next generation" of war toys. That is thing about budgets - you must establish priorities not just always want more. Much of this seems to be due to congress critters wanting money spent here, in their district/state, rather than on what the military really needs to git-r-done. We saw the same thing when discussing US base closures - the military had its ideas and congress critters had theirs. ;)
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

That is likely because it is (always?) being spent on the "next generation" of war toys. That is thing about budgets - you must establish priorities not just always want more. Much of this seems to be due to congress critters wanting money spent here, in their district/state, rather than on what the military really needs to git-r-done. We saw the same thing when discussing US base closures - the military had its ideas and congress critters had theirs. ;)

Simply not true.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Simply not true.

Are you claiming, then, that there is no room for maintenance in the whole defense budget?
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

If this benefits 8 states, shouldn't those 8 states foot the bill?

I've never bought into the created or saved meme. It seems like an easily manipulated number.

I want my nickel back.

Because having pockets of poverty in eight states doesn't affect the rest of us?

That seems a bit short sighted to me.

Yes, it's worth a nickel.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

And what would be wrong with the deconstruction of the administrative state? Do you enjoy faceless bureaucrats setting the terms of your existence?

I do enjoy living in a civilized society. Bureaucrats are not a threat to me. I much prefer them to CEOs when it comes to running my life.

These idiots aren't about "freedom." They are about moving from democracy to corporatocracy. Everything they have done so far is A-OK with Wall Street, the military industrial complex, Big Medicine, Big Pharma, Big Energy, and soon-to-be Big Education. And so far, it's all coming at the expense of Little Individual. The only individuals that aren't worse off are the white supremacists.

Seriously - what good will dismantling the EPA do for you? Maybe, if you change your own oil, you will be free to pour petroleum waste into your storm sewers, or perhaps you just enjoy diesel fumes.

Personally, I think the people still defending Trump at this point are just loathe to admit that they made a terrible, horrible, incredibly stupid mistake when they voted for him.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

I do enjoy living in a civilized society. Bureaucrats are not a threat to me. I much prefer them to CEOs when it comes to running my life.

These idiots aren't about "freedom." They are about moving from democracy to corporatocracy. Everything they have done so far is A-OK with Wall Street, the military industrial complex, Big Medicine, Big Pharma, Big Energy, and soon-to-be Big Education. And so far, it's all coming at the expense of Little Individual. The only individuals that aren't worse off are the white supremacists.

Seriously - what good will dismantling the EPA do for you? Maybe, if you change your own oil, you will be free to pour petroleum waste into your storm sewers, or perhaps you just enjoy diesel fumes.

Personally, I think the people still defending Trump at this point are just loathe to admit that they made a terrible, horrible, incredibly stupid mistake when they voted for him.
I think you are imagining threats where none exist. First its not an either/or between big government and big business. None of the institutions or government that you love will disappear. But your entire argument is based upon this false alternative. Trump defanging the EPA will not result in oil being poured down the storm sewers. That's just fear mongering on your part.

As for me, the only reason I put up with Trumps childish nonsense is because he seems to be actively pursuing the dismantling of the administrative state. As long as he pursues that course, I will defend him. When and if he turns into just another big government advocate I will turn my guns on him
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

I think you are imagining threats where none exist. First its not an either/or between big government and big business. None of the institutions or government that you love will disappear. But your entire argument is based upon this false alternative. Trump defanging the EPA will not result in oil being poured down the storm sewers. That's just fear mongering on your part.

As for me, the only reason I put up with Trumps childish nonsense is because he seems to be actively pursuing the dismantling of the administrative state. As long as he pursues that course, I will defend him. When and if he turns into just another big government advocate I will turn my guns on him

For an administration that has been in place for only about 8 weeks, the threat is very real. If you think that putting the EPA in the hands of a climate change denier won't result in a dirtier environment, you are crazy. Businesses don't protect the environment because they are good citizens, they have to be forced. And they fight against compliance tooth and nail anyway.

Explain to me why the most powerful government in the world, the one that is supposed to be the bulwark against global baddies everywhere, is gutting their own State Department?
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Simply not true.

Whatever you say.

DoD completed its last BRAC round in 2005, and in the interim, major force reductions began. DoD’s report argues it has been 14 years since Congress authorized the DoD to conduct a BRAC round and 12 years since it conducted a thorough analysis of its capacity.

pentagon-requests-BRAC
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg


So then are those reasons 2 & 3 with saving money #1 or are they 1 & 2 with #3 being saving money?
Either combination is a welcome, change. Don't you think?

BTW, I couldn't open the WAPO link. They told me "You have 0 free articles left this month"
I hope you're not paying for something you get on most other left-wing sites.
Those capitalist bastards are preventing me from being informed about oooooooo Bannon oooooooooo.
Veddy scary keeds.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

So then are those reasons 2 & 3 with saving money #1 or are they 1 & 2 with #3 being saving money?
Either combination is a welcome, change. Don't you think?

Show me where they are saving any money. It was pointed out from the very beginning that they are just moving money from domestic programs to defense.

Trump had his chance to make welcome changes, but he left those campaign promises at the door when he moved into the White House. He's just making stupid changes so far, none of which are welcome with anybody but his most apologetic supporters.

BTW, I couldn't open the WAPO link. They told me "You have 0 free articles left this month"
I hope you're not paying for something you get on most other left-wing sites.
Those capitalist bastards are preventing me from being informed about oooooooo Bannon oooooooooo.
Veddy scary keeds.

Then you must be reading a lot of Washington Post articles. That's a good thing.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

For an administration that has been in place for only about 8 weeks, the threat is very real. If you think that putting the EPA in the hands of a climate change denier won't result in a dirtier environment, you are crazy.
Since I don't want the EPA in charge of 'fighting' global warming, his pick for the head of the EPA is probably the single greatest thing Trump has done.
Businesses don't protect the environment because they are good citizens, they have to be forced. And they fight against compliance tooth and nail anyway.
Again the EPA is not going to disappear, so you can relax.

Explain to me why the most powerful government in the world, the one that is supposed to be the bulwark against global baddies everywhere, is gutting their own State Department?
Probably because there are too many people in unnecessary positions. Streamlining government and making it more efficient and cost effective should be something you guys on the left demand. Its the least you can do.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Since I don't want the EPA in charge of 'fighting' global warming, his pick for the head of the EPA is probably the single greatest thing Trump has done. Again the EPA is not going to disappear, so you can relax.

Probably because there are too many people in unnecessary positions. Streamlining government and making it more efficient and cost effective should be something you guys on the left demand. Its the least you can do.

I'll abandon the EPA argument, because you appear to be a climate change denier, and that isn't worth arguing.

But "streamlining" the State Department is a ridiculous argument. Tillerson has been at a loss on how to do his job, because they got rid of so many career staffers who actually knew what buttons to press and who to talk to in other governments. And a buffoon like trump needs a competent State Department like few other presidents, because he's a disaster every time he opens his mouth. He has already damaged relations with Australia, the U.K., Japan, Germany - even his buddy Putin is getting tired of his idiocy. Eight friggin' weeks into the job, and he has stepped on so many friendly toes - it's staggering.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Are you claiming, then, that there is no room for maintenance in the whole defense budget?

When you go from Continuing Resolution to Continuing Resolution for six or seven years straight, limited to percentage spending caps from the previous year and without the authorization for new procurements, this is what you get. There is not enough room for maintenance.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Seems like Trump's attempting to transform our government into a fiat-military junta dictatorship.
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Show me where they are saving any money. It was pointed out from the very beginning that they are just moving money from domestic programs to defense.

Trump had his chance to make welcome changes, but he left those campaign promises at the door when he moved into the White House. He's just making stupid changes so far, none of which are welcome with anybody but his most apologetic supporters.



Then you must be reading a lot of Washington Post articles. That's a good thing.
Of course. That's what I meant by a welcome change.
You don't want to restore some of that defense spending?

They'd be saving money on things the Federal Government SHOULDN'T be funding as much (e.g. PBS, NEA, EPA, PP)and using the savings for things they SHOULD be doing more of.
That's assuming the proposed WH budget was going to go somewhere anyway.

I do read WAPO when they let me.
Do you pay them for online access?
 
Re: Here's how the Trump administration is saving money to increase the military budg

Reducing spending tax revenues is good.

It's almost comical how many rules and regulations impact everything.

Google something as common as a doorway and ask how many regulations impact them and you get more than a million hits.

Our government has run amuck.

In school, one of my classmates was a history major who noted that there were no building codes in Ancient Greece. However, if a building collapsed and killed anyone, the builder was also killed.

The result? The Parthenon stood intact until it was blown up in modern times.

I feel that in many cases, the rules and regulations in force today do more to make the rules makers happy than to help the population.

What on earth does this have to do with anything?

Door size regulations are a good thing, a very good thing IMO. Just think about how it would be if doors where left to the imagination of the builders and to save money they would make the door opening a good deal smaller. That would no ambulance crew could get in with their gurney, firefighters would have real issues, when someone in a house becomes wheelchair bound they would have to redo all the doors, people with walkers could not get through doors, in case of a fire people would have more issues in fleeing from rooms, etc. etc. etc.

Strict building rules are a good thing. In the Netherlands it is not legal to have fully see through windows in bathrooms to make sure your neighbors (especially their children) do not have to "enjoy" you getting out of the shower in the buff.

Or how it is not allowed to have a window looking in on your neighbors property if that window is less than 7 feet from the border of your land, at least not if you have a clear glass window in that window, if you have milk glass windows that is legal. This to ensure people do not feel spied upon in their own garden. This of course is not an issue if the window is looking into your own garden but if it is facing your neighbors house you cannot just do that (without approval of the neighbors).

And the issue IMHO is not that the building falls down on the builders but that it falls down on the people living in there who have bought it.

And the parthenon was out of marble, something current day houses are not built from.
 
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