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Should Schools Provide Free Lunch? DeVos Could End Nutrition Program For Poor Kids

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justabubba said:
yep
why do hungry poor kids expect to be able to eat
teach them a lesson with this hunger
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So teach them young that Big Brother will take care of them, especially when there's babies to feed...

No perpetuation of a destructive cycle there, eh uh...:naughty
 
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Brewdog said:
As much as I'm inclined to agree with you, this would be the very last entitlement program I would take away as a libertarian.

Those children don't get to choose whether or not their worthless parents send them to school with money for lunch or a sandwich. And if those kids are hungry, they're not going to learn and are more likely to be disruptive to the other students. That lunch may be the only meal they get all day. Remember, some of those parents are truly complete worthless idiot crackheads. Being hungry can make a human very aggressive.

And in the scheme of things, I don't think a school lunches cost very much. Likely much less than a single F-35 which doesn't even work. The true problem is CORPORATE welfare, not school lunches.
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I provided a suitable alternative in post #37 I believe.

I'm likely to agree with you on the corporate welfare, and by likely I mean all the way. I just don't find it particularly useful to conflate the two issues. It's not like we have to choose between paying Boeing or feeding Bebe...
 
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Moot said:
The only reason the Feds control the school lunch program is because some states couldn't..or wouldn't.

One would have to be pretty damn heartless to deny hungry children a decent lunch so they can stay healthy enough to think and learn...Maggie.
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Completely agree re school lunches. Too many children, especially in poor communities, suffer from poor parenting. No breakfast before school, no or poor lunches. And who knows about supper.

The Fed should fund these programs but put them in control of the states, in my opinion.
 
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ataraxia said:
And so the answer is to cut food for the poor kids who go to school there? That'll really teach'em, huh?
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since no one is doing this why are you ranting?
 
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There are some really stupid posts in this thread.

When I was in school there was reduced lunches very few students actually qualified for free lunches.
and no this wasn't some big school either.

I see no problem with kids getting a free lunch for some kids it is the only meal they are going to get.
Kids can't learn when their stomachs are cramping from hunger. it isn't possible.

The school my kids attend give free breakfast for everyone as well. just something they do.
I don't have a problem with it.

there are some things that are just needed regardless of political alignment. making sure kids get fed should
be on that list. My church actually just got done making 400 food trays for kids lunches that will be shipped to
schools for kids that might not get a lunch. if they don't qualify for free lunch program.
 
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ataraxia said:
Living in a stable society with some opportunity for all ain't free either. That's why we pay taxes for schools.
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Naturally. It is a question of how those taxes are spent.
 
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Doesn't parents get food stamps to feed their kids? Exactly why can't parents use the food they get from food stamps to make their kid a lunch?
 
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Henrin said:
Doesn't parents get food stamps to feed their kids? Exactly why can't parents use the food they get from food stamps to make their kid a lunch?
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Some parents trade food stamps for drugs.
 
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MaggieD said:
What's stupid is that the school lunch program should be controlled by Washington DC. perhaps DeVos will change that. One can only hope.
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I can agree with that, but food is something desperately needed for young poor kids. It is a proven fact that a good breakfast actually starts the brain off correctly. And people who are not eating do not think correctly. I prefer a localized education and I think we should shut down the DOE and use that money to fund the run down school districts that need things like books and teachers and so on.


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Henrin said:
Doesn't parents get food stamps to feed their kids? Exactly why can't parents use the food they get from food stamps to make their kid a lunch?
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Do you expect those parents to be responsible enough to do so? How familiar are you with the issues facing children in the lowest socioeconomic brackets? Absentee parents and drug addicts and all that? I worked with kids who would go home on Friday and the last meal they ate was lunch at school, and the next meal would be breakfast on Monday. There are some horrible people out there who shouldn't be reproducing. But they are.


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LadyMoonlight said:
Want the money for free food at school (something I approve of, by the way)? Take the money from foreign aid and there would be plenty. America, just like Australia, is more interested in feeding and educating and caring for kids/people in other countries than in their own. Many countries wanted their independence and hate western countries, but still expect to be supported. Nope. No foreign aid...all the billions of dollars spent on the citizens of other countries should be spent at home instead. Welfare for a whole country is ridiculous in my opinion.
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Think of foreign support money as bribery. If you stop supporting Israel and the Palestinians, guess what you'll have? War. If you stop supporting Pakistan, guess what you'll have? An ISIS or Al-Qaeda training base and base of operations, not to mention probable war with India. Stop supporting Egypt and what will you have? A failed state and political chaos in North Africa. The list goes on and on.

And if you think those things will not very quickly have repercussion here in the US, you are more shortsighted than I thought. You need to see a good eye doctor.
 
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And so the answer is to cut food for the poor kids who go to school there? That'll really teach'em, huh?
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ludin said:
since no one is doing this why are you ranting?
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I don't think you are reading all the posts on this thread, clearly.
 
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ataraxia said:
I don't think you are reading all the posts on this thread, clearly.
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no your not. no one is cutting food programs. it was a joke that as usual taken out of context and liberals get themselves all spun up.
 
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MaggieD said:
Completely agree re school lunches. Too many children, especially in poor communities, suffer from poor parenting. No breakfast before school, no or poor lunches. And who knows about supper.

The Fed should fund these programs but put them in control of the states, in my opinion.
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the feds never denied the states an opportunity to provide the kids of their state needed meals
the federal government is doing what the states did not
 
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fmw said:
Whatever happened to the old saw "There is no free lunch?" Almost nothing is free. Somebody has to pay for it.
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Ensuring that our children are healthy and well nourished pays itself over hundreds of times.
 
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Henrin said:
Doesn't parents get food stamps to feed their kids? Exactly why can't parents use the food they get from food stamps to make their kid a lunch?
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because many of those sorry parents are trading those food stamps for drugs and or booze

withholding meals from the kids - who have NO control of the use of those food stamps - only impacts the victims
 
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ChezC3 said:
So teach them young that Big Brother will take care of them, especially when there's babies to feed...

No perpetuation of a destructive cycle there, eh uh...:naughty
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Well then stop with the charade and allow kids to drop out of school at 1st grade and allow them to go work with mommy or daddy at age 7. If you dont care then at least stop caring all the way. Make school non-mandatory if you really dont care.
 
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justabubba said:
because many of those sorry parents are trading those food stamps for drugs and or booze

withholding meals from the kids - who have NO control of the use of those food stamps - only impacts the victims
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If someone consistently sent their kid to school without a lunch or means to buy a lunch wouldn't that be neglect? Wouldn't you figure out after a while that they are not feeding their kid?
 
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justabubba said:
because many of those sorry parents are trading those food stamps for drugs and or booze

withholding meals from the kids - who have NO control of the use of those food stamps - only impacts the victims
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there is little evidence to support this which is why most states stop drug testing.
what they do with them is they will take them elsewhere and gain money instead.

they then spend the money on other things and not food which is illegal of course but it is done.

usually they don't get food because they just don't fix it for them.
 
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joG said:
One could equally wonder, if parents should have children they are not prepared to care for. What is certain is that we have built an opaque mess of social programs that hemorrhages cash without any clear concept what we want nor whether we are getting it.
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there definitely needs to be a consolidation of programs. it is just getting to big to manage effectively.
 
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Nilly said:
Ensuring that our children are healthy and well nourished pays itself over hundreds of times.
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That was a predictable response. Liberals find no problems with government involving itself anywhere.
 
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Top Cat said:
Should Schools Provide Free Lunch? DeVos Could End Nutrition Program For Poor Kids

Stupid is as stupid does.
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Did you read the article? It said or inferred absolutely nothing about DeVos ending nutrition programs for poor kids in the public schools or anywhere else. What the GOP has wanted to do is end free lunches for those who can afford to pay for them. And pray tell, what is wrong with that?
 
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joG said:
One could equally wonder, if parents should have children they are not prepared to care for. What is certain is that we have built an opaque mess of social programs that hemorrhages cash without any clear concept what we want nor whether we are getting it.
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https://schoolnutrition.org/AboutSchoolMeals/SchoolMealTrendsStats/

Participation, Meals Served and Program Cost

National School Lunch Program (NSLP) Average Daily Participation:
Nearly 100,000 schools/institutions serve school lunches to 30.5 million students each day, including:

19.8 million free lunches
2.2 million reduced price (student pays $.40)
8.5 million full price
5 billion lunches are served annually
(Source: USDA FY 2015 preliminary data)

NSLP Annual Cost:
13 billion in federal dollars, including:

11.7 billion in reimbursements
1.3 billion in commodity costs

Breakdown in costs:
The School Lunch and Breakfast Cost Study-II revealed the following average breakdown in costs for producing a school lunch:

Food 37%
Labor/Benefits 48%
Supplies 5%
Other, including Indirect Costs* 10%
Total
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fmw said:
That was a predictable response. Liberals find no problems with government involving itself anywhere.
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If the socioeconomic cost of feeding the children is less than the socioeconomic cost of not feeding them, then sure, why not.
 
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joG said:
One could equally wonder, if parents should have children they are not prepared to care for. What is certain is that we have built an opaque mess of social programs that hemorrhages cash without any clear concept what we want nor whether we are getting it.
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You're so right. Let the little bastards starve.
 
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