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Among Developed Nations American Tax Bills are Below Average

Inflation is at all time lows and has not increased because of our debt increasing. Inflation is caused by too much money chasing too few goods. Something we don't have to worry about since demand is suppressed by low wages. Deflation has been the worry for the last 8 years. That is far worse than inflation for the economy.

yawn. all inflation calculations ignore the historical precedence that deflation is the norm.
 
I'm willing to pay my fair share. Whatever it takes.

I've worked in the government...I've seen government work...I'm not willing to pay any extra for the inefficient wasteful crap they "produce."


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I've worked in the government...I've seen government work...I'm not willing to pay any extra for the inefficient wasteful crap they "produce."


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I understand.
Some people are just more selfish than others.
 
I understand.
Some people are just more selfish than others.

motivated self interest is how this all works.

without that, nobody would seek to find a cheaper alternative, so no force to reduce costs would occur.

you demonize human behavior, but a system that works would seek to be built based on it. you have no clue how to govern because of this shortcoming.
 
motivated self interest is how this all works.

without that, nobody would seek to find a cheaper alternative, so no force to reduce costs would occur.

you demonize human behavior, but a system that works would seek to be built based on it. you have no clue how to govern because of this shortcoming.

Sure.
Whatever helps ease your conscience.
 
Everything the government takes, ultimately is taken from individuals. corporate taxes are baked into prices that individuals pay

Corporate taxes are on profit, not revenues. So the tax isn't "baked into the price".
 
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yes, individuals do, but technically, they pay 100%, not 80%

Everything the government takes, ultimately is taken from individuals. corporate taxes are baked into prices that individuals pay.

but most money is coming from a percentage of the individuals. many individuals suffer no consequences for voting for increases spending.

Everything the government gives, ultimately is given to individuals. Moot argument.
 
Everything the government gives, ultimately is given to individuals. Moot argument.

I love talking to clueless liberals

everything the government has was taken from individuals. individuals produce. governments take.
 
Corporate taxes are on profit, not revenues. So the tax isn't "baked into the price".

product prices are effected by taxes. this is axiomatic
 
product prices are effected by taxes. this is axiomatic

Maybe when you're talking about sales taxes. But even then, they're not taken into account when the distributor sets the wholesale price.
 
It makes sense that a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" would be self-serving. Who else would it serve?

The tax problem and government problems started with that quote. Not because the quote has no value, but because the quote has no merit.
At the time of its original inscription into American history, the quote "of the people, by the people, for the people" was not a genuine ideology. Let's face the facts, many of the people arguing what should be "of the people, for the people, and by the people" were not considering all people equal. Many people at this time thought an all powerful federal government was more important than peoples rights. I'm afraid to think what our constitution would have constructed had it not been for the bill of rights.

The more local a tax system is, the better it works IMO. Large communities are harder to organize than small ones. I think it would be easier to organize a bunch of small communities to work together than one large community. Our government, since conception of the constitution was made to disregard equal rights (equal taxes) in favor of federally regulated commerce. Our commerce should be governed by each state and each state treasury federally taxed based on their economy. This would allow each state to experiment with differing methods of taxation, and would create more localized and easier to govern spending in each state.
 
That's the other reason the debt is so high.
Actually the "other" reason the debt is so high is we spend way way way too much. China has a population over three times ours and we tax more than double the Chinese. We are by far taxed more than any other country when all taxes are added up.

Few countries even achieve in GDP solely what we are taxed and what we spend each year.
 
yawn. all inflation calculations ignore the historical precedence that deflation is the norm.

Deflation is the worst economic situation imaginable for a Capitalist system. So you are saying recession and depression is the norm. The only time we have had deflation is when the economy was failing.
 
Deflation is the worst economic situation imaginable for a Capitalist system.

nonsense. it is a natural product of a capitalism. You might as well claim rain is the worst possible situation imaginable for living comfortably.
 
nonsense. it is a natural product of a capitalism. You might as well claim rain is the worst possible situation imaginable for living comfortably.

A better analogy would compare deflation with attacks by bloodthirsty lions...and you would refuse to arm yourself against them citing that human killing lions are just a fact of life. Wild unpredictable swings is a FAULT of capitalism and it was far worse before Central banks used their weapons against those wild lions who not so long ago caused the suffering of millions in the Great Depression when 6 of America's 9 years of monetary deflation occurred. That is the long way of saying you are full of s...
 
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The tax problem and government problems started with that quote. Not because the quote has no value, but because the quote has no merit.
At the time of its original inscription into American history, the quote "of the people, by the people, for the people" was not a genuine ideology. Let's face the facts, many of the people arguing what should be "of the people, for the people, and by the people" were not considering all people equal. Many people at this time thought an all powerful federal government was more important than peoples rights. I'm afraid to think what our constitution would have constructed had it not been for the bill of rights.

The more local a tax system is, the better it works IMO. Large communities are harder to organize than small ones. I think it would be easier to organize a bunch of small communities to work together than one large community. Our government, since conception of the constitution was made to disregard equal rights (equal taxes) in favor of federally regulated commerce. Our commerce should be governed by each state and each state treasury federally taxed based on their economy. This would allow each state to experiment with differing methods of taxation, and would create more localized and easier to govern spending in each state.
At the time of the Constitution, "an all powerful federal government" was what they were trying to prevent.

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currency debasement is a form of taxation.

In your case (because you've been corrected), this is sheer dishonesty.

much of our spending is accomplished by increasing the money supply, which diminishes the buying power of money previously in circulation.

No it does not. I challenge you to find statistical relationship between money supply growth and inflation.

this is a hidden form of taxation, and especially harmful to people on fixed incomes.

Inflation arises from income growth exceeding productivity growth.
 
At the time of the Constitution, "an all powerful federal government" was what they were trying to prevent.

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I disagree. The federalists at the time wanted a government that had authority over all the states and the anti-federalists wanted the states to democratically have authority over the government. The government having authority over the states is all powerful compared to the states democratically having authority over the government.
 
I understand.
Some people are just more selfish than others.

That's not selfish at all. Demanding other people's hard earned money to be spent wastefully is though. Why not demand more efficiency and accountability?

Here is a fun one...do you realize that EVERY government office attempts to spend EVERY cent in their budget? Do you know why? So they can request more next year. It happens every year. How efficient is that?


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product prices are effected by taxes. this is axiomatic

Not corporate income taxes.

If they were.. prices could never stabilize. A company makes more profit.. has to pay higher taxes.. raises prices.. making more profit.. then more taxes.. raises prices..

It doesn't work that way. Taxes on profit are not built into prices.
 
Not corporate income taxes.

If they were.. prices could never stabilize. A company makes more profit.. has to pay higher taxes.. raises prices.. making more profit.. then more taxes.. raises prices..

It doesn't work that way. Taxes on profit are not built into prices.
Yes, corporate taxes too. All things that are an expensive of doing business will try to be baked into a price.

your reply seems to be based on a false premise that corporate taxes are progressive. Your rate doesn’t go up as profit increases. Your taxes do, but so does your sales. But that does not create instability because you have accounted for tax burden in your pricing structure. Your taxes went up because your sales went up. This only creates an unstable atmosphere if you don’t account for taxes in the pricing structure of what you sell.
 
Not corporate income taxes.

If they were.. prices could never stabilize. A company makes more profit.. has to pay higher taxes.. raises prices.. making more profit.. then more taxes.. raises prices..

It doesn't work that way. Taxes on profit are not built into prices.

Of course, they are. Even a tiny business, like self employment, does that. If Joe the lawn mowing guy needs to earn (net?) $30K then he must set his prices to make $35K if he must pay $5K in FIT. Taxation is just another cost of doing business - to pretend otherwise is foolish.
 
does increasing your tax rate to 25% effect your purchasing power?

does the dollar floating against another currency have the chance to effect your purchasing power?

hint - the answer to both is yes.
And you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Taxes are when a government collects revenue from individuals and organizations.

The fact that "an increase in taxes results in a reduction in purchasing power" does NOT mean that "any reduction in purchasing power is a tax." That is an absurdly irrational claim, because if the government doesn't actually receive any revenue from you, then IT'S NOT A TAX.

That's just basic logic. Your claim is thoroughly irrational.


if you use the latter as a form of debasement of debt, it is most definitely acting in a similar capacity to a tax policy.
No. No, it isn't.

Again, a tax requires the government collecting revenues.

If a government cranks out tons of paper money to pay off its creditors, that isn't a tax. Not in any way, shape or form. That government is not collecting revenues, thus it's not a tax. It's just printing money.

And yet again!
• The federal government is NOT paying for its goods and services by printing up money. Unless you are referring to the federal government of Zimbabwe.
• We have had very low levels of inflation over the past 20-30 years. We've even experienced a small amount of deflation.
 
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