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Proof That Manufacturing Is Not Dead In The US

How an economic developer is bringing factory jobs back to Mississippi - CBS News

Liberals seem to think that good paying jobs are leaving the country and cannot be stopped so our only option is to force McDonalds and Walmart to pay a living wage. Think again.

Everyone thinks manufacturing and industrial jobs are leaving the country. Many believe it to be a natural part of free trade. You are right though. Even though manufacturing was hit really hard from 2001-2012 it has been rebuilding since then.
 
Yeah it's only liberals who noticed the millions of manufacturing jobs that have left the US since the 60's. Smart bunch those liberals. I don't know why the Cons haven't noticed that too. ;)
 
How an economic developer is bringing factory jobs back to Mississippi - CBS News

Liberals seem to think that good paying jobs are leaving the country and cannot be stopped so our only option is to force McDonalds and Walmart to pay a living wage. Think again.

Yeah, and don't forget the "minimum income" equine excrement. Let's motivate people to contribute to society, by paying them not to work. :roll:

That reminds me, wasn't Obamacare supposed to spur entrepreneurship because people would no longer have to be tied to their jobs? Freeing up artisans and the like to pursue their dreams. How'd THAT work out? Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent. ;)
 
How an economic developer is bringing factory jobs back to Mississippi - CBS News

Liberals seem to think that good paying jobs are leaving the country and cannot be stopped so our only option is to force McDonalds and Walmart to pay a living wage. Think again.
Ooookay....

First of all, manufacturing is nowhere near dead in the US. Manufacturing OUTPUT, as I keep telling people, is at record highs. A partial chart:

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What has happened is that manufacturing EMPLOYMENT has shrank, to around 10% of the US labor force:

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This is because manufacturing productivity went through the roof (though lately it has flattened out):

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And yes, some of us know about onshoring. The problem is that when companies bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, they heavily automate the process, meaning they need a fraction of the employees they needed 10 or 15 years ago.

Even your own link discusses this: "In the old days, a mill like this would have needed 4,000 workers. Here it takes only 650 to churn out more than 3 million tons of steel a year."

The Golden Triangle also highlights some other aspects. You need to find cheap US labor, from a population that is borderline desperate; areas that hate unions; at-will states, so they can fire people at the drop of a hat; state governments that are willing to give generous tax breaks; local politicians whose palms are easy to grease.

Keep in mind we're not talking about workers earning $25/hour, with a pension, and protections from getting fired. This is more like $15/hour for manufacturing work -- e.g. the median household wage in Lowndes County, center of the Golden Triangle, is $36,000/yr (which is far below the US median of $55,000/yr).

And even then, labor in Mexico or China can be 50-75% cheaper.

So yes, some jobs will onshore. But it's not going to turn the clock back to 1962. Not by a long shot.
 
How an economic developer is bringing factory jobs back to Mississippi - CBS News

Liberals seem to think that good paying jobs are leaving the country and cannot be stopped so our only option is to force McDonalds and Walmart to pay a living wage. Think again.
Liberals think right here, for the most part.

As proven by the President-Elect, and VP-Elect & sitting governor, failing grossly at stopping the bulk of Carrier jobs moving to Mexico, even after plying Carrier with taxpayer money and who know's what else?

If you think you can make the case for paying American wages for labor that can be done in The Philippines & Indonesia for 3 bucks a day, with no OSHA, no EPA, nor labor law courts - please do tell! I'm all ears!
 
Liberals seem to think that good paying jobs are leaving the country and cannot be stopped so our only option is to force McDonalds and Walmart to pay a living wage. Think again.

Thats why Democrats in Congress lead the way against trade treaties such as the TPP... :roll:
 
And how is this possibly helping "America"? It sounds like a race to the bottom scavenging jobs from the surrounding areas! How many jobs came from overseas? How many are 'new' American jobs?

"It was Joe Max Higgins’ biggest challenge. He became obsessed with winning the next deal. He found out PACCAR was considering building its engine plant in Jonesboro, Arkansas, near where he grew up. He got on his motorcycle and rode home to scope it out. When he got back, he convinced county supervisors to build this substation to undercut Arkansas with cheaper power. He won the deal. Today, it’s a $500 million facility filled with robots and about 500 humans. When PACCAR began hiring, 3,000 people applied for the first 50 jobs. "

So of the 6000 jobs being bragged about, here are 500 that were taken from Arkansas in one deal alone.
 
Yeah, and don't forget the "minimum income" equine excrement. Let's motivate people to contribute to society, by paying them not to work. :roll:

That reminds me, wasn't Obamacare supposed to spur entrepreneurship because people would no longer have to be tied to their jobs? Freeing up artisans and the like to pursue their dreams. How'd THAT work out? Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent. ;)

Was that the stated intent of the ACA? If so, where was it stated?
 
the only reason Carrier jobs were any good is because they are union (liberal) jobs.
 
That reminds me, wasn't Obamacare supposed to spur entrepreneurship because people would no longer have to be tied to their jobs? Freeing up artisans and the like to pursue their dreams. How'd THAT work out?
Actually, pretty well.

There are 15 million self-employed in the US. Before the ACA, unless you could get coverage some other way (e.g. via a spouse), it was very difficult and expensive to get insurance as a sole proprietor. Many insurers would refuse to offer any coverage, or would refuse to cover "pre-existing" conditions.

Millions of these freelancers and sole proprietors now have health insurance. That's a tax deduction for them, and some starting out or who have a tough year might even be eligible for subsidies.

Aren't you glad you asked?
 
Yeah it's only liberals who noticed the millions of manufacturing jobs that have left the US since the 60's. Smart bunch those liberals. I don't know why the Cons haven't noticed that too. ;)
If you were so smart you'd own all 3 branches of the federal govt and every state house. Unfortunately it's virtually the exact opposite, so you were saying?
 
If you were so smart you'd own all 3 branches of the federal govt and every state house. Unfortunately it's virtually the exact opposite, so you were saying?

WTF does that have to do with manufacturing leaving the US since the 60's?

Try, please TRY to stay on topic.
 
If you were so smart you'd own all 3 branches of the federal govt and every state house. Unfortunately it's virtually the exact opposite, so you were saying?

you sound like you're 8 years old.
 
If you were so smart you'd own all 3 branches of the federal govt and every state house. Unfortunately it's virtually the exact opposite, so you were saying?

Relevancy called for you.

Didn't leave a message.
 
WTF does that have to do with manufacturing leaving the US since the 60's?

Try, please TRY to stay on topic.

Nothing, it has to do with being smart.
 
That's irrelevant, but I do like a nice juicy steak, because veggies are for 2 year olds.

folks like you should eat bacon and steak every meal. and NO veggies unless they're deep fried
 
Ooookay....

First of all, manufacturing is nowhere near dead in the US. Manufacturing OUTPUT, as I keep telling people, is at record highs. A partial chart:

fredgraph.png



What has happened is that manufacturing EMPLOYMENT has shrank, to around 10% of the US labor force:

fredgraph.png



This is because manufacturing productivity went through the roof (though lately it has flattened out):

fredgraph.png



And yes, some of us know about onshoring. The problem is that when companies bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, they heavily automate the process, meaning they need a fraction of the employees they needed 10 or 15 years ago.

Even your own link discusses this: "In the old days, a mill like this would have needed 4,000 workers. Here it takes only 650 to churn out more than 3 million tons of steel a year."

The Golden Triangle also highlights some other aspects. You need to find cheap US labor, from a population that is borderline desperate; areas that hate unions; at-will states, so they can fire people at the drop of a hat; state governments that are willing to give generous tax breaks; local politicians whose palms are easy to grease.

Keep in mind we're not talking about workers earning $25/hour, with a pension, and protections from getting fired. This is more like $15/hour for manufacturing work -- e.g. the median household wage in Lowndes County, center of the Golden Triangle, is $36,000/yr (which is far below the US median of $55,000/yr).

And even then, labor in Mexico or China can be 50-75% cheaper.

So yes, some jobs will onshore. But it's not going to turn the clock back to 1962. Not by a long shot.

There is one minor thing you got wrong here, every state in the union red and blue is an "at will " state, except for Montana, each of the other 49 are at will
 
Was that the stated intent of the ACA? If so, where was it stated?
Actually there was a fair amount of comment to that effect by the bill's proponents, and I even made that argument (and still believe it to be true). Of course, it's true only to a matter of degree and it's not a panacea.

Years ago I even had a real life example of a good friend co-worker project engineer, who badly wanted to join another coworker engineer leaving our fortune 30 corporation to head-up a start-up he just cfreated. The project engineer had a wife and two toddlers at home, including one toddler with special medical needs, and they had another baby on the way. No way could he afford to be uninsured, nor could he afford private insurance for his family - especially with the special needs kid. So he turned it down (somewhat bitterly).

So yeah, having portable health insurance can definitely remove an impediment to entrepreneurship. I wish we had universal single-payer, to be honest. Why should one's health-care be tied to one's employment? A stupid idea if I ever heard one.
 
Was that the stated intent of the ACA? If so, where was it stated?

I'll look for it if I get time. If memory serves, it was a comment made by Nancy Pelosi. It may not have been the intent, but it was an intent touted by a major democrat leader. But, most of the selling points put forth by Obama turned out exactly opposite, so, my point stands.
 
I'll look for it if I get time. If memory serves, it was a comment made by Nancy Pelosi. It may not have been the intent, but it was an intent touted by a major democrat leader. But, most of the selling points put forth by Obama turned out exactly opposite, so, my point stands.

See Gruber. I think he filled in the blanks for us, as if we hadn't figured it out before he blew grits on the whole thing.
 
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