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Wage Growth Is on Fire

Touché my friend. Perhaps the fact that you are unaware of the validity of the statements I made speaks to the fact there are things that you are unaware of.

Now honestly, I'm not interested in a pissing match with you (oops too late). No one has ever learned anything when they are simply trying to prove themselves right. Looking back out our exchange, that's all this is.

Now I'd be happy to discuss this like an adult, where you ask questions and challenge my assertions, but if you simply wish to declare yourself the winner by declaring my statements "invalid" and questioning my intellegence, that's cool too, I have other conversations I can dedicate myself to if this is what I can expect in the way of responses from you.

Or perhaps I recognize that you are floundering around with a lot of BS instead of addressing the issue we were discussing...

Yes.. our exchange has been all about you trying to prove yourself right. that's why you have made multiple posts.. not saying anything substantial to debate the points I made.. but ending your posts with...

But again, when I have time I'll post a longer response...

Or you would "get back with data".. or whatever.

Sorry sir.. but you are not bringing anything to the table other than calling my post "bazaar".. and trying to infer that I am not challenging your assertions "like an adult". I have..

Like I said.. you are not interested in debate.
 
It's funny...or sad.

Obama supporters were talking with pride about every good data point released over the last 7,8 years.

And as the months now pass...they will be singing a complete opposite tune on the same stats.

And, of course, so will cons.

Man...I despise partisan politics.

What's even worse is when you are labeled as a partisan (whichever side) and you are told you have to defend ideas you never supported in the first place.
 
What's even worse is when you are labeled as a partisan (whichever side) and you are told you have to defend ideas you never supported in the first place.

LOL...really.

That is why I try and remember to always include that I despise both parties and/or that I am neither lib nor con in my posts.

Of course, no matter how strongly I state it - someone will inevitably say 'you claim you are not lib (or con)...but you sure talk like one.'

:roll:

I swear it is more of a game with these people then anything else.

'Yeah...we are gonna whoop those libs/cons come election time'.

Again... :roll:


BTW - for what it is worth, although you and I often disagree...you seem to keep an open mind on things.

I wish everyone on here acted as you do.

I just wish people would not be closed minded SOOO much of the time.

That is when I give up on debates. The second I feel the other person will not change their mind no matter what I say - I give up. To go further just wastes my time and causes me unnecessary stress.
Note: Unless they are pissing me off/they seem like trolls and I want to make them look foolish ( ;) ).
 
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LOL...really.

That is why I try and remember to always include that I despise both parties and/or that I am neither lib nor con in my posts.

Of course, no matter how strongly I state it - someone will inevitably say 'you claim you are not lib (or con)...but you sure talk like one.'

:roll:

I swear it is more of a game with these people then anything else.

'Yeah...we are gonna whoop those libs/cons come election time'.

Again... :roll:


BTW - for what it is worth, although you and I often disagree...you seem to keep an open mind on things.

I wish everyone on here acted as you do.

I just wish people would not be closed minded SOOO much of the time.

That is when I give up on debates. The second I feel the other person will not change their mind no matter what I say - I give up. To go further just wastes my time and causes me unnecessary stress.
Note: Unless they are pissing me off/they seem like trolls and I want to make them look foolish ( ;) ).

Thanks for the kind words. I can say the same, when we first started debating I had you pegged for a "Con", but you surprised me with some open minded comments of your own and have earned my respect, even if, as you said, we often disagree....

I'd be interested on your thoughts after watching a few of these vids, approps of what we're discussing. I'm not going to pick a particular vid, there are a bunch I'll let you decide how much time you want to invest.

Jonathan Haidt swings at Dems and Cons...

Thoughts?
 
Thanks for the kind words. I can say the same, when we first started debating I had you pegged for a "Con", but you surprised me with some open minded comments of your own and have earned my respect, even if, as you said, we often disagree....
Thanks for the kind words yourself.

BTW, if I am still here over the next few years, I bet you will see me butt heads with cons on the economy...especially the Trumpbots who think he can do no wrong (just as I did with the Obamabots). I think Trump is almost clueless about macroeconomics - especially his crazy tariff ideas. Plus, he is planning to stimulate the economy - just like Obama did. And I will be disagreeing with that as well.
And when the unemployment numbers come out and the Trumpbots start to take credit for them - even though the same people were knocking Obama for the exact same numbers - I will be putting down those numbers.
My point is, that I have no political loyalty at all.
In fact, I was a die hard liberal for years when I was young. But then I learned the hard way that THE GOVERNMENT CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED - no matter which party is in power. Politicians are mostly awful, vacant, shallow, selfish people. And even the decent ones (like Obama) are horribly arrogant and set in their ways. And arrogance leads to ignorance.
Take Obamacare? An admirable idea to give health coverage to the millions of Americans who had none. And instead of stopping there (and it would have worked - I think) the Dems got greedy and tried to make it all things for all people (a common failure with libs). So it became a bloated whale that almost no one liked (even Bill Clinton) and was doomed to failure. Libs are too much of 'we know what you need' arrogance. While Reps are too much 'God, guns and country' nonsense.
I have said it before, government (and the Fed) should leave the economy alone, ALWAYS run a balanced budget (except during war) as politicians cannot be trusted with extra money EVER, have a tiny military with a large militia (like the Founding Fathers wanted) and help EVERYONE who needs help - not wants it - needs it. And as for guns? I have said it many times. The 2'nd Amendment is STRICTLY about the militia. If you want a gun, join the military/reserves/police. Otherwise, you should not own one.
I am not a lib or a con or a libertarian (they have some great ideas but their love of guns and hatred of welfare I TOTALLY disagree with) or anything. Heck, I even like Communism - everyone sharing everything sounds nice. But unfortunately, humanity is too selfish and greedy and easily corrupted for it to work at this time...maybe one day.

Sorry to ramble - I just wanted you to know where I actually stand.

I'd be interested on your thoughts after watching a few of these vids, approps of what we're discussing. I'm not going to pick a particular vid, there are a bunch I'll let you decide how much time you want to invest.

Jonathan Haidt swings at Dems and Cons...

Thoughts?

I will be blunt, I have a short attention span for almost everything that is not business or history or gadgets or maybe sports. 18 minute videos on other subjects are usually beyond my ability to concentrate. But I will try and watch them over a period of time and let you know what I think.

Later.
 
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I wonder if Trump/GOPers will take credit for this in 2017's good Stats.

Well, I mean, Republicans have been in control of congress for 6 years now. Not saying they get credit, but If we're automatically going to credit whoever is in charge of policy for anything that happens, then politically it would have to be the GOP congress and/or Obama. Then again, weve been told theres been nothing but obstruction, so maybe we credit govt doing nothing as good for wages?
 
Well, I mean, Republicans have been in control of congress for 6 years now. Not saying they get credit, but If we're automatically going to credit whoever is in charge of policy for anything that happens, then politically it would have to be the GOP congress and/or Obama. Then again, weve been told theres been nothing but obstruction, so maybe we credit govt doing nothing as good for wages?

Wages didn't start rising until nearly the final couple years of Obama's term. But even so, the growth is not great and should have been happening since 2001.
 
Wages didn't start rising until nearly the final couple years of Obama's term. But even so, the growth is not great and should have been happening since 2001.

Well, I hate to make predictions. But I suspect that by the time Trump is done with this country, everyone will be begging for the kind of jobs growth we had under Obama.
 
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