National Debt Nears 20 Trillion Just in Time for Election

jonny5 · Jan 4, 2017

Incisor said:
Doesn't need to be ratified by the states. What actually needs to be ratified by the states is the belief that Medicare is unconstitutional. Do you know how our government works?

Yes, Ive read the rulebook.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Where is the power to spend on healthcare delegated to the US?

Or how about this?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

When did we consent to federal govt spending on healthcare. Do you know how our govt is supposed to work? Why can you just get the states to approve it? Obviously because you know they wouldnt. You asked for the reason why we shouldnt have single payer and there is your answer. Because the majority of the governed dont want it.

Incisor · Jan 4, 2017

jonny5 said:
Yes, Ive read the rulebook.

I don't think you have. I think you're pretending you have for the sake of this message board, but you and I both know you don't. So stop.

Where is the power to spend on healthcare delegated to the US?

General welfare clause.

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Exactly...politicians get voted in and then make and pass laws. What's your point?

When did we consent to federal govt spending on healthcare

When you voted in the representatives who passed the laws. You sure you know how government works? Because it doesn't seem like you do.

Why can you just get the states to approve it? Obviously because you know they wouldnt.

Not only would the states vote for it, but they would do so overwhelmingly. Besides, we're not talking about government-run health care, we are talking about government-run health insurance.

jonny5 · Jan 5, 2017

Incisor said:
I don't think you have. I think you're pretending you have for the sake of this message board, but you and I both know you don't. So stop.

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Guess we're done since youre going to be rude.

mmi · Jan 5, 2017

jonny5 said:
Where is the power to spend on healthcare delegated to the US?

As noted above, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 — "lay and collect Taxes … to … provide for the … general Welfare."

>>Why can you just get the states to approve it? Obviously because you know they wouldnt.

A very large majority of Americans (77%) say Medicare is "a very important program," and two-to-one they believe it's operating effectively, 60-30. (source)

>>You asked for the reason why we shouldnt have single payer and there is your answer. Because the majority of the governed dont want it.

When asked if they favour "replacing the ACA with a federally funded healthcare program providing insurance for all," support is 58-37. (source)

You of course have every right to yer own opinion, but yer in a marked minority.

jonny5 said:
Guess we're done since youre going to be rude.

You should never have started. But yes, go run away and hide after taking another mindless, uniformed dump at DP.

National Debt Nears 20 Trillion Just in Time for Election

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