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Hoarding Money Cures Diseases

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Mark Zuckerberg is going to give $3 billion toward eliminating all diseases. Bill Gates has also donated billions, not to mention many of the other one percenters. If they weren't one percenters they wouldn't be able to do this and if there were tax or other laws in place not allowing one percenters to be one percenters in the first place then they wouldn't be able to do it either.
 
What a jumble of subjects. What exactly are you upset about now? That there are not enough "one percenters" due to tax law or that it takes them to "cure diseases?" (Speaking of, what did one of these wealthy donors donate to that ended up curing a disease recently?)
 
Some billionaires are socially responsible and some don't give a damn. I am all for a dollar for dollar tax break if giving to qualified charities.
 
No matter what the tax law is, there will always be one-percenters.
 
Moderate Right said:
Hallelujah! You are beginning to see a crack of light in your liberal thinking.
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Do you honestly think that the typical liberal wants their to be no billionaires? You realize that's not what they are asking for correct?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Do you honestly think that the typical liberal wants their to be no billionaires? You realize that's not what they are asking for correct?
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So, you are saying that the typical liberal does want there to be billionaires so that we can take all of their money in taxes so that they are no longer billionaires anymore. Well, I agree with that. Liberals only want the rich to pay taxes so that means we have to have rich so that we can take all of their money in taxes. That makes sense too. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you are saying that the typical liberal does want there to be billionaires so that we can take all of their money in taxes so that they are no longer billionaires anymore. Well, I agree with that. Liberals only want the rich to pay taxes so that means we have to have rich so that we can take all of their money in taxes. That makes sense too. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Oh ok, you just want to rant, not get a grip on reality. I'll leave you to your tantrum.
 
Moderate Right said:
Hallelujah! You are beginning to see a crack of light in your liberal thinking.
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.... in your dreams. :)

If we didn't have the income and wealth disparity that we have currently, the 1%-ers wouldn't be seen in the negative light in which they are currently seen .... but there'd still be 1%-ers.

The top 1% controls almost half of the wealth in this country and 20% of annual income, while the top 5% controls nearly 3/4 of the wealth and 35% of the income.
 
Moderate Right said:
Mark Zuckerberg is going to give $3 billion toward eliminating all diseases. Bill Gates has also donated billions, not to mention many of the other one percenters. If they weren't one percenters they wouldn't be able to do this and if there were tax or other laws in place not allowing one percenters to be one percenters in the first place then they wouldn't be able to do it either.
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Jerry Lewis raised millions for MD to no avail.

When diseases make more money than the cure, change will never take place.

See the common cold.
 
Moderate Right said:
Hallelujah! You are beginning to see a crack of light in your liberal thinking.
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roughdraft274 said:
Do you honestly think that the typical liberal wants their to be no billionaires? You realize that's not what they are asking for correct?
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I've always suspected that a good portion of right wingers don't have the slightest clue what liberalism actually means or what liberals tend to believe. I wonder why.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you are saying that the typical liberal does want there to be billionaires so that we can take all of their money in taxes so that they are no longer billionaires anymore. Well, I agree with that. Liberals only want the rich to pay taxes so that means we have to have rich so that we can take all of their money in taxes. That makes sense too. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Why are you mad at words?
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you are saying that the typical liberal does want there to be billionaires so that we can take all of their money in taxes so that they are no longer billionaires anymore. Well, I agree with that. Liberals only want the rich to pay taxes so that means we have to have rich so that we can take all of their money in taxes. That makes sense too. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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You have to understand it correctly first.
Liberals do want there to be billionaires only it is just them that are the billionaires.

The rest of us just poor folk are out of luck.
 
Moderate Right said:
Mark Zuckerberg is going to give $3 billion toward eliminating all diseases. Bill Gates has also donated billions, not to mention many of the other one percenters. If they weren't one percenters they wouldn't be able to do this and if there were tax or other laws in place not allowing one percenters to be one percenters in the first place then they wouldn't be able to do it either.
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Which diseases have they cured?

Oh...none.

Meanwhile, government-run vaccination programs have completely eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated several dozen other diseases ranging from polio to yellow fever.
 
Wait, wut?

Giving away earned money is not hording it.
 
CrabCake said:
Which diseases have they cured?

Oh...none.

Meanwhile, government-run vaccination programs have completely eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated several dozen other diseases ranging from polio to yellow fever.
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Oh, so I guess you are saying that you would rather have Zuckerberg hoard his three billion dollars and not donate it to the fight to cure diseases.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh, so I guess you are saying that you would rather have Zuckerberg hoard his three billion dollars and not donate it to the fight to cure diseases.
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No. I am saying that the headline of your post is a lie. Hoarding money has never cured any disease. The government, on the other hand, actually has.
 
CrabCake said:
No. I am saying that the headline of your post is a lie. Hoarding money has never cured any disease. The government, on the other hand, actually has.
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Well, we certainly can't say that the government hoards money. Every time thay get one dollar thy spend two.
 
Moderate Right said:
Mark Zuckerberg is going to give $3 billion toward eliminating all diseases. Bill Gates has also donated billions, not to mention many of the other one percenters. If they weren't one percenters they wouldn't be able to do this and if there were tax or other laws in place not allowing one percenters to be one percenters in the first place then they wouldn't be able to do it either.
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Had taxation of 1Percenters been at the level they were pre-1960s (90%), there would be a sufficient amount of Federal Funds to conduct the research necessary. See here:
Taxation - Historical Marginal Rates, Highest & Lowest Wage Earners.jpg

We don't need 1Percenters employing a very minor percentage of their Wealth (to fund research) that was derived uniquely by INSUFFICIENT TAXATION of upper incomes ... Zuckerberg's wealth is estimated at about $57B, so giving away $3B is a piddling sum for him.

The recent history of the US, since Reckless Ronnie drastically reduced upper-income taxation in the 1980s is one of a relentless gusher of Income into Wealth due to ridiculously low upper-income taxation. And what will become of this wealth? Like the monarchies of Europe pre-19th century, it will be handed down dynastically to offspring who never worked a day in their lives to earn it.

The Tax System in America is wholly corrupt with exemptions and needs a vast overhaul ... And if a Donald Trump is proof of anything whatsoever relevant to American society today it is how a know-nothing can amass such wealth.

Of course, it helped mightily that his father left him a 40 megabuck fortune ...

We have created in America Dynastic Fortunes held by a select group of plutocrats who try to prevent any change in the tax-system that would arrest the gusher of low-taxed income that funds their fortunes, part of which is employed distorting the political process to maintain the status-quo ...
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CrabCake said:
Which diseases have they cured?

Oh...none.

Meanwhile, government-run vaccination programs have completely eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated several dozen other diseases ranging from polio to yellow fever.
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This is not correct...Smallpox still exists in labs and if you born in the late 1980s, you didn't get vaccinated. If Smallpox virus got out of those labs and into the public, It would cause another crisis. The so called program you speak of was in fact a heavily underfunded program in which they did targeted vaccination (i.e a family member had smallpox, you got vaccinated).

Polio vaccination program wasn't/isn't a Government program or even funded by Government. Rotary International and the Bill Gates foundation have been the money behind it as of late. The Salk vaccine was given away for all to copy by National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (March of Dimes). March of Dimes spearheaded the vaccine program.. again not Government.

I could go on.
 
austrianecon said:
This is not correct...Smallpox still exists in labs
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That's what eradication means when it comes to diseases. The disease is not known to exist on any living host. It exists only in vials.

austrianecon said:
The so called program you speak of was in fact a heavily underfunded program in which they did targeted vaccination (i.e a family member had smallpox, you got vaccinated).
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What's your point? Governments eradicated the disease. What difference does the details of their methodology make? My point was that government vaccination programs eradicated a disease while hording money hasn't. What difference do the details of how the government did it make?

austrianecon said:
Polio vaccination program wasn't/isn't a Government program or even funded by Government. Rotary International and the Bill Gates foundation have been the money behind it as of late. The Salk vaccine was given away for all to copy by National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (March of Dimes). March of Dimes spearheaded the vaccine program.. again not Government.
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Actually the effort is being spearheaded by the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI), an organization created by the World Health Organization (a branch of the United Nations) in 1988. The four key partners in that initiative are: the World Health Organization, UNICEF, US Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and Rotary. So, it was designed and created by the government, and is composed of three government bodies and one private non-profit. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is involved only in raising money for Rotary towards that initiative.
 
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austrianecon said:
This is not correct...Smallpox still exists in labs and if you born in the late 1980s, you didn't get vaccinated. If Smallpox virus got out of those labs and into the public, It would cause another crisis.

I could go on.
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Nitpicking. Big IF. A nuclear bomb can go of off, IF. Three airplanes flying into the new WT tower in New York could down it, IF.

Yes, you could go on - nitpicking ...
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Mr Person said:
...right wingers don't have the slightest clue what liberalism actually means or what liberals tend to believe. I wonder why.
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Pure ignorance due to the fact they don't want to know.

For them, and particularly in this forum, they don't need debate. Their minds are settled and debate only "confuses matters".

AKA, "pigheadedness" ...
 
CrabCake said:
That's what eradication means when it comes to diseases. The disease is not known to exist on any living host. It exists only in vials.
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No, eradication means it doesn't exist anymore. You can't say something is eradicated if every WHO report state: it always says except for US and Russia stockpiles. You can say it has no known living host as of now.. and that's it because it's not by definition eradicated.



CrabCake said:
What's your point? Governments eradicated the disease. What difference does the details of their methodology make? My point was that government vaccination programs eradicated a disease while hording money hasn't. What difference do the details of how the government did it make?
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The devil is always in the detail. There was no massive vaccination program. There was very little money spent. So there was no mass Government program. Rather it was common sense of isolation, stopping patient zero from spreading it and private sector developing vaccine and advancements.. like the Lister Institute of Preventive Medicine and Wyeth of which both waived their patent royalties.



CrabCake said:
Actually the effort is being spearheaded by the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI), an organization created by the World Health Organization (a branch of the United Nations) in 1988. The four key partners in that initiative are: the World Health Organization, UNICEF, US Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and Rotary. So, it was designed and created by the government, and is composed of three government bodies and one private non-profit. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is involved only in raising money for Rotary towards that initiative.
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Actually.. let's get some facts straight. Global Polio Eradication Initiative is a private/public initiative. The program would not be viable without private involvement. All "eradication" programs need private involvement or they never work.
 
Lafayette said:
Nitpicking. Big IF. A nuclear bomb can go of off, IF. Three airplanes flying into the new WT tower in New York could down it, IF.

Yes, you could go on - nitpicking ...
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It's not nitpicking. By definition nothing has been eradicated. It's not a question of if. It's a question when will there be a mistake made. I actually grew up near Fort Detrick, Maryland where the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases is located and is the only place in the US where there is a DoD Bio lab of level 4. This base has some of the worlds most deadly diseases sitting around (unofficially), include smallpox, ebola, anthrax, you name it. This is base in which the Anthrax used in the 2001 Anthrax came from. It's also suffers from Environmental contamination from the 1950s-1970s in which contaminated stuff was just thrown into a hole in the ground and covered over. It started leaking into the water supply back in the early 1990s. If you live near the base you don't use tap water.

So don't try if, it's already happened. We've just been lucky it wasn't worse.
 
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