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Do We Really Need To Do Income Redistribution To Fix Income Inequality?

Gimmesometruth said:
The labor "market" has been manipulated via law and policy to cause a suppression of MW in real terms for decades.
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But it's ok to manipulate the market when it favors business. But you can't go manipulating the market in favor of the workers. tsk, tsk.
 
Critter7r said:
But it's ok to manipulate the market when it favors business. But you can't go manipulating the market in favor of the workers. tsk, tsk.
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The restaurant industry, led by the National Restaurant Association –– and its board chairman Herman Cain, who would later become the group's president –– successfully pressured lawmakers to have the minimum wage for tipped employees separated from the increase and kept at $2.13.
 
Critter7r said:
I also doubt you will be enlightened. As cordial as you've remained throughout the discourse here, you seem to stick to the same points that are discredited over and over and over.
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Are you sure you aren't looking in a mirror?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The labor "market" has been manipulated via law and policy to cause a suppression of MW in real terms for decades.


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As I said. John is not in favor of the market and he's too chicken to come out and say it. At least you had the balls to admit it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The restaurant industry, led by the National Restaurant Association –– and its board chairman Herman Cain, who would later become the group's president –– successfully pressured lawmakers to have the minimum wage for tipped employees separated from the increase and kept at $2.13.
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The model for tipped employees seems to work ok, I mean there are millions of servers and if the employment method was horrible I'm sure we'd know about it. However, If MW goes up, so should the tipped wage (albeit, at an equal percentage of increase, not all the way to the actual MW). Plus it should also be indexed to increase annually like MW should be indexed.
 
Critter7r said:
But it's ok to manipulate the market when it favors business. But you can't go manipulating the market in favor of the workers. tsk, tsk.
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So you now admit that you don't want to let the market decide.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The restaurant industry, led by the National Restaurant Association –– and its board chairman Herman Cain, who would later become the group's president –– successfully pressured lawmakers to have the minimum wage for tipped employees separated from the increase and kept at $2.13.
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Could it be because that data proves that tipped workers are doing quite well compared to $7.25 per hour workers?
 
Critter7r said:
The model for tipped employees seems to work ok, I mean there are millions of servers and if the employment method was horrible I'm sure we'd know about it. However, If MW goes up, so should the tipped wage (albeit, at an equal percentage of increase, not all the way to the actual MW). Plus it should also be indexed to increase annually like MW should be indexed.
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Liberals want the minimum wage to double from where it is at to $15 per hour. If tipped workers are already making at or around $15 per hour there really is no need for an adjustment.. I've known a lot of servers who do very, very well. In fact, a talented full time server in some restaurants I used to work at made as much or more than the manager did.
 
Critter7r said:
The market already doesn't decide.
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Sure it does. You'd be hard pressed to find any retail or restaurant operation that pays $7.25 per hour. It's actually quite rare. If there were no unions whatsoever, do you think current union jobs would be paying everyone $7.25 per hour?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The labor "market" has been manipulated via law and policy to cause a suppression of MW in real terms for decades.


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Please explain exactly how the market has been manipulated to cause a suppression of minimum wage in real terms for decades.

Please detail the exact laws and policies.
 
Moderate Right said:
I've known a lot of servers who do very, very well.
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Nearly 15% of the nation's 2.4 million waiters and waitresses live in poverty, compared with about 7% of all workers. They are more likely to need public assistance and less likely to receive paid sick leave or health benefits.

Income flows on a weekly basis are extremely erratic … Weather impacts the number of customers. As a result,, servers may have difficulty qualifying for a car loan

The federal tipped minimum wage has been frozen for more than two decades at $2.13 an hour. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the median wage for waiters and waitresses is $8.94, including tips Servers in some upscale restaurants most certainly earn a handsome income, but they are the exception. — "Tips Don't Add Up for Most Waiters and Waitresses," WSJ, Aug 8, 2014​

Moderate Right said:
You'd be hard pressed to find any retail or restaurant operation that pays $7.25 per hour. It's actually quite rare.
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In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 3.0 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 3.9 percent of all hourly paid workers.

About 10 percent of part-time workers (people who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were paid the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of full-time workers.

The industry with the highest percentage of workers earning hourly wages at or below the federal minimum wage was leisure and hospitality (18 percent). Over half of all workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage were employed in this industry, the vast majority in restaurants and other food services. — "Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers, 2014," BLS, Apr 2015​

And as always, the issue isn't simply the number of employees at or below the minimum wage, but rather the number of low-wage workers, paid less than say, $10.10/hr.

Moderate Right said:
Do you have any data to reject that claim?
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Posted … repeatedly … and characteristically Ignored … by the ignorant.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
How am I determining....when I just asked you?
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Sorry. I appreciate you giving me the authority to determine what is fair or jot. We can close these inequality threads now. They are no longer needed.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sorry. I appreciate you giving me the authority to determine what is fair or jot. .
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I did not give you anything, you have always had the "authority" to determine for yourself if a thing is fair or not. What I find funny is your inability to express it openly.

We can close these inequality threads now. They are no longer needed
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For you, I suppose.
 
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