• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Republicans: Mexicans are worse than an actual virus.

OrphanSlug said:
You have a source for these assumptions, or are we going with an entirely from-the-hip argument expecting good conversation?
Click to expand...

How about you try picking up a paper or checking a news website other than your right wing propaganda sites and you'd find one easy enough.

cpwill said:
....you apparently don't know that the GOP-led House just passed a measure to deal with Zika. It spent more than $6 Trillion dimes.
Click to expand...

Actually no they didn't......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-zika-resolution-lengthy-negotiations-ahead/

They tried to pass one earlier, but they could get it through without a republican adding a bunch of bull**** riders along with it dealing with deregulation of the truck driving industry.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You serious? What would you call, say, the USSR if not tolitarian?
Click to expand...

nobody was ever totalitarian, totalitarianism was the stated goal of benito mussolini's fascists, someone who btw trump is a yuuuuuge fan of, and the communists murdered
 
OrphanSlug said:
You have a source for these assumptions, or are we going with an entirely from-the-hip argument expecting good conversation?
Click to expand...

fmw said:
You certainly have some unusual logic based on opinion with no facts. We get it. You hate republicans and South Carolina.
Click to expand...

Actually I live in South Carolina. Pretty much everything in here is 100% factual. If your confused about something specific you'll have point out what you don't understand.

Republicans do in fact want to spend ungodly amounts of money on a Wall to keep Mexicans out on top of the insane amount of money we already waste trying to keep them out. Republicans in congress did in fact take a two week break without doing **** about the Zika problem.
The bill they were considering was stalled as a result of republican amendments to the bill which have nothing to do with Zika, and instead try and forward their bull**** deregulation agenda.
If you think Republicans would demand cuts to some other agency in order to fund a border wall your delusional.
 
Last edited:
jimbo said:
OK,I misspoke. It appears that about 15 people are basing their Trump support at least part on building the wall.
Click to expand...

trump supporters are the ones in the parking garage theres hundreds of these videos all over the country

do try and keep up
 
Howler63 said:
A nation with no borders, isn't a nation.
Click to expand...
This is most certainly 100% accurate.
TheGoverness said:
But we also don't need a wall.
Click to expand...

But we do need to curb the illegal immigration and smuggling across that border.

Whether it's a physical wall, a high tech sensor wall, or if it's an armed border agent posted every 10 feet, I really don't care.

All it has to do is be effective in curbing illegal immigration and smuggling and it has to do it in the most cost effective manner possible.
 
MrWonka said:
How about you try picking up a paper or checking a news website other than your right wing propaganda sites and you'd find one easy enough.
Click to expand...

How about you provide something for us to discuss being that this is your topic and theory.
 
OrphanSlug said:
How about you provide something for us to discuss being that this is your topic and theory.
Click to expand...

Given that we're already on post 60 here I think most people already seem to understand what the discussion is about.
 
MrWonka said:
Given that we're already on post 60 here I think most people already seem to understand what the discussion is about.
Click to expand...

We do, your theory... which is about all you have.
 
Well this has been a fun drive through ridiculous land.
No actual citations for any person on either side saying it was more important to keep immigrants out than to cure Zika.
Also, let's look at some facts quoted from the CDC:
"The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika."
So. Are we calling for a national emergency for the common cold next?

If this is some kind of outrage for the virus having more serious effects in other countries (which it may) then hell yes it is more important that we protect our own country than to tend to the sick of the rest of the world. We are not the world's police force nor the world's hospital. America should come first and to think we should turn our country into a third world country to "bring us into line" with other countries is insane at best.
Purely idiotic and dangerous at worse.
 
Howler63 said:
A nation with no borders, isn't a nation.
Click to expand...

eohrnberger said:
This is most certainly 100% accurate.
Click to expand...

You can have a border without trapping people inside or out of it. Each U.S. State has a border, but that doesn't mean people can't freely travel across them. For decades our boarder with Canada was essentially wide open. You didn't even need a passport to cross it. In fact for a good century+ after the signing of the declaration of independence there was little or not regulation of immigration into this country. My My what were the founders thinking?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Those are literally textbook examples of a tolitarian system.
Click to expand...

during the cold war right wing propaganda liked to call the soviet union fascists, so you can agree with them and say the soviet union was a fascist country, or you can agree that nobody was ever totalitarians not even the people who invented it and called for it (the fascists). But you can't say the soviet union was both communist and totalitarian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism#Criticism_and_recent_work_with_the_concept
 
Ntharotep said:
Well this has been a fun drive through ridiculous land.
No actual citations for any person on either side saying it was more important to keep immigrants out than to cure Zika.
Click to expand...
Do you need a citation about the color of the sky to discuss why it's blue as well?

Ntharotep said:
Also, let's look at some facts quoted from the CDC:
"The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika."
So. Are we calling for a national emergency for the common cold next?
Click to expand...
Exactly what Rock do you live under? The disease can cause severe deformities in children.

Ntharotep said:
If this is some kind of outrage for the virus having more serious effects in other countries (which it may)
Click to expand...
No, it's a discussion about the fact that Congress just took a two week vacation without passing anything to deal with the problem. Why? Because rather than just pass a bill that funds defensive efforts they're trying to use it to scuttle a whole bunch of deregulation bull**** through along with it. Do you seriously think republicans would do that if they were discussing a bill to build a wall to keep out mexicans?

Ntharotep said:
America should come first and to think we should turn our country into a third world country to "bring us into line" with other countries is insane at best.
Purely idiotic and dangerous at worse.
Click to expand...

What in the actual **** are you even blabbing on about here? For **** sake.
 
MrWonka said:
You can have a border without trapping people inside or out of it. Each U.S. State has a border, but that doesn't mean people can't freely travel across them. For decades our boarder with Canada was essentially wide open. You didn't even need a passport to cross it. In fact for a good century+ after the signing of the declaration of independence there was little or not regulation of immigration into this country. My My what were the founders thinking?
Click to expand...

Comparing states borders internal to a nation to the national border is dishonest and inaccurate. They are two quite different things.

Comparing the national border situation of over two centuries ago with the difficulty of transportation then to the relative ease of transportation now is also dishonest and inaccurate.

Try again.
 
dimensionallava said:
during the cold war right wing propaganda liked to call the soviet union fascists, so you can agree with them and say the soviet union was a fascist country, or you can agree that nobody was ever totalitarians not even the people who invented it and called for it (the fascists). But you can't say the soviet union was both communist and totalitarian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism#Criticism_and_recent_work_with_the_concept
Click to expand...

But they were. Some people are arguing "the Soviet state was fundamentally weak" and the "level of terror was exaggerated", according to your article, but they are very much the minority.

The Soviet Union was a fundamentally tolitarian state. They relied on the use of force, either through the secret police or the Red Army, to keep their "allies" in line. They massively spied on their own populace on a scale the NSA could only dream of.
 
Ntharotep said:
Also, let's look at some facts quoted from the CDC:
"The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika."
So. Are we calling for a national emergency for the common cold next?
Click to expand...

Huh? That's weird that must be why Tom Frieden head of the CDC gave such an emotional plea to congress to

CDC Head Tom Frieden Delivers Emotional Plea For Zika Funding

Tom Frieden said:
Imagine that you’re standing by and you see someone drowning, and you have the ability to stop them from drowning, but you can’t. Now multiply that by 1,000 or 100,000. That’s what it feels like to know how to change the course of an epidemic and not be able to do it.
Click to expand...

Tom Frieden said:
Three months in an epidemic is an eternity.
Click to expand...
 
eohrnberger said:
Comparing states borders internal to a nation to the national border is dishonest and inaccurate. They are two quite different things.
Click to expand...
No, they are actually quite similar. In fact most of Europe(which is made up of different countries) has very little border security for people traveling between European nations. You also ignored what I mentioned about the borders between Canada and the U.S. It seems Border security is only important when it's keeping dark skinned people out.


eohrnberger said:
Comparing the national border situation of over two centuries ago with the difficulty of transportation then to the relative ease of transportation now is also dishonest and inaccurate.
Click to expand...

No, not really in fact the relative easy of transportation makes this whole thing even more idiotic. The notion that building a wall would do any good whatsoever in a time where Airplanes exist is ridiculous. In fact most illegal aliens in this country actually enter the country legally by plane or boat only to over stay their visa.
 
Yeah congress really wants to build a wall to keep out the enormous benefits they get from cheap labor and drug money. :lol: Talk may get people's vote but until I see someone actually proposing a bill, I'll just laugh it off. Fences yes, lol again, but no actual wall.

I think the problem is confusing republicans in congress with random people on the streets.
 
MrWonka said:
No, they are actually quite similar. In fact most of Europe(which is made up of different countries) has very little border security for people traveling between European nations.
Click to expand...
You are confusing the US with the EU. Just because the EU has made an economic zone of themselves and allow easy border crossing, doesn't mean that the US could or should do the same.
MrWonka said:
You also ignored what I mentioned about the borders between Canada and the U.S.
Click to expand...

If there's no one sneaking across, why is it a problem? It's probably more attributable that there is next to no quality of life difference between Canada and the US.

MrWonka said:
It seems Border security is only important when it's keeping dark skinned people out.
Click to expand...

Has absolutely nothing to do with that, but sure, keep using the lame racist card.

MrWonka said:
No, not really in fact the relative easy of transportation makes this whole thing even more idiotic. The notion that building a wall would do any good whatsoever in a time where Airplanes exist is ridiculous. In fact most illegal aliens in this country actually enter the country legally by plane or boat only to over stay their visa.
Click to expand...

Because it's too hard, we should give up our national sovereignty? That's a laugh.

I'll grant you that there is also a problem with illegal visa over stays.
 
MrWonka said:
Do you need a citation about the color of the sky to discuss why it's blue as well?

Exactly what Rock do you live under? The disease can cause severe deformities in children.

No, it's a discussion about the fact that Congress just took a two week vacation without passing anything to deal with the problem. Why? Because rather than just pass a bill that funds defensive efforts they're trying to use it to scuttle a whole bunch of deregulation bull**** through along with it. Do you seriously think republicans would do that if they were discussing a bill to build a wall to keep out mexicans?

What in the actual **** are you even blabbing on about here? For **** sake.
Click to expand...
Well since you can't be bothered to cite your misinformation, allow me to help you out.
Areas Affected by Zika: CDC
"•No local mosquito-borne Zika virus disease cases have been reported in US states, but there have been travel-associated cases."
So. It is not happening *IN* the United States as of yet. It goes on to say it could and likely travel cases will increase.
One simple fact is that a woman who is pregnant owes it to herself and to her unborn baby to know the areas she is traveling to. If there is a Zika virus outbreak in Puerto Rico, don't go there if you are pregnant or be around sick people who traveled recently (my baby's mother was very paranoid about this, herself its the way to be). Pretty simple really. I came to that remedy without even passing a bill.
Also, try looking up the number of cases in the U.S. of birth defects from Zika (the percentage of an infected mother is 13% chance). I would link it for you but blue sky and all that you know?
I do agree with you on Congress siting on its hands and not doing nearly enough. Every congress has had it easy, not just this one, with as much time to go home and campaign as they've spent in office doing actual work. I can't find anything to debate there.

MrWonka said:
Huh? That's weird that must be why Tom Frieden head of the CDC gave such an emotional plea to congress to
CDC Head Tom Frieden Delivers Emotional Plea For Zika Funding
Click to expand...
Please educate yourself on how deadly the virus is:
CDC: About the Zika Virus
As for why Frieden would plea with Congress? Plea = Funding = Money
If he is really up in arms about the virus for altruistic reasons then he should maybe read his own website.
Maybe if he gets more government funding he can spread the same cure he advised for West Nile virus and buy everyone long shirts and pants?

I am still not buying into the "outbreak that will doom us all and destroy the world" outcry and I do think securing our borders is the priority though if our Government would get up off its ass it would be able to handle both of these issues.
 
eohrnberger said:
You are confusing the US with the EU. Just because the EU has made an economic zone of themselves and allow easy border crossing, doesn't mean that the US could or should do the same.
Click to expand...
LOL!!!! Are you trying to make my argument for me? Europe eliminated border crossing nonsense for the good of economic development. Just like our ancestors left our borders open for the good of economic development. It is people like yourself that are trying to turn the United States into North Korea, and the damage to the economy would be traumatic.

eohrnberger said:
If there's no one sneaking across, why is it a problem? It's probably more attributable that there is next to no quality of life difference between Canada and the US.
Click to expand...
People sneak across all the time. You just don't care because they're white.

eohrnberger said:
Has absolutely nothing to do with that, but sure, keep using the lame racist card.
Click to expand...
If you don't want me to use it, then stop playing it. There is not rational purpose for a wall on the Mexican border. It does not enhance security, it does not improve the economy. It's an irrational hateful idea that is born out of ignorant nationalism. Nationalism that only seems to apply to people with brown skin. Generally that is referred to as racism.

eohrnberger said:
Because it's too hard, we should give up our national sovereignty?
Click to expand...
Sovereignty is the ability to govern oneself. Nothing about building a wall to keep out the brown people helps us govern ourselves. We've had open boarders for centuries and it has only made the country stronger and stronger with each passing generation.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom