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Record Tax Revenues For FY14 [W:346]

Re: Record Tax Revenues For FY14

ttwtt78640 said:
That explains why the SS "full benefit" retirement age was raised without much fuss at all and why many now seek to change the rules for SS COLA adjustments. Many would indeed vote out anyone that actually tried to kill SS but seem to accept "reasonable restrictions" to make SS less expensive. ;)
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I suspect that most people don't realize that the benefit age has increased. I will be 67 before I can start drawing ss, yet most of the people I know who are around my age still believe that they will be able to start drawing at age 65. It's something that didn't receive a lot of media attention at the time. I think we are going to have a heck of a lot of people my age who are in big trouble when they quit their job at age 65 and then discover that they don't yet qualify for full ss benefits.
 
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JasperL said:
It is one or both of those unless the person asking it has an answer that somehow implicates Obama's policies for that result.
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Perhaps it was lack of policies from the administration.
 
Meister said:
Perhaps it was lack of policies from the administration.
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So...you don't know.


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Re: Record Tax Revenues For FY14

imagep said:
I suspect that most people don't realize that the benefit age has increased. I will be 67 before I can start drawing ss, yet most of the people I know who are around my age still believe that they will be able to start drawing at age 65. It's something that didn't receive a lot of media attention at the time. I think we are going to have a heck of a lot of people my age who are in big trouble when they quit their job at age 65 and then discover that they don't yet qualify for full ss benefits.
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That and the (unintended?) consequences of a sharp rise in SS disability claims which pay even more than the initial SS "full benefit" amount.

SSA: Disability Recipients Soar, Funding Nearly Depleted Under Obama

Disability claims skyrocket: Here's why - Apr. 11, 2013
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So...you don't know.


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Meister said:
Why would black unemployment be much higher than asian, and white unemployment during this "recovery"? It wasn't dishonest nor a foolish question.
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They have always been higher, it is not unique to this time period, and the reasons have been studied for quite some time, much of it having to do with racism.
 
Meister said:
Did you even read what I posted?
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Yes, I quoted you. You say it was a "lack of policies." Well, what should he have done? Surely you have some ideas or you wouldn't blame Obama for not solving a problem that is decades old.

The ACA is intended to increase healthcare access to the poor and others, ultimately to save lives. Well, we still haven't cured cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have cured cancer or decreased cancer deaths.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, it describes no policies....and it shows that higher Black UE levels are nothing new.
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It showed the Hispanic and white EU going down and the Black still rising.
Thanks
 
JasperL said:
Yes, I quoted you. You say it was a "lack of policies." Well, what should he have done? Surely you have some ideas or you wouldn't blame Obama for not solving a problem that is decades old.

The ACA is intended to increase healthcare access to the poor and others, ultimately to save lives. Well, we still haven't cured cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have cured cancer or decreased cancer deaths.
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The ACA? What? Huh?
 
Meister said:
The ACA? What? Huh?
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It was an example to prove a point, but you knew that. "I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have [solved any long term problem in society]."

Obviously, you have no idea what policies should or should not have been pursued by Obama to help the black population, but you're still blaming him for a problem that existed long before he came in office and will persist long after.

If you can't understand that blindingly simple point, I can't help you.
 
Meister said:
It showed the Hispanic and white EU going down and the Black still rising.
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You mean at the very end of the chart, 4 years ago.

Again, the UE rate for Blacks has always been higher...it is nothing new.

I have no idea why this concept is so impossible to absorb.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You mean at the very end of the chart, 4 years ago.

Again, the UE rate for Blacks has always been higher...it is nothing new.

I have no idea why this concept is so impossible to absorb.
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Nobody is arguing your point with the Blacks having higher EU, but....it has gotten worse under Obama than with previous administrations.
 
JasperL said:
It was an example to prove a point, but you knew that. "I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have [solved any long term problem in society]."

Obviously, you have no idea what policies should or should not have been pursued by Obama to help the black population, but you're still blaming him for a problem that existed long before he came in office and will persist long after.

If you can't understand that blindingly simple point, I can't help you.
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Obviously, you can't admit that it has gotten worse under Obama
 
Meister said:
Nobody is arguing your point with the Blacks having higher EU, but....it has gotten worse under Obama than with previous administrations.
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Um, no, not significantly:

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Most of the differential is due to state/local govt employment losses, which have higher rates of minority employment...and the layoffs in those sectors was not due to "Obama policies".
 
Meister said:
Not what? What's that you say? Good grief, look at the divergence.
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Let me help with the math, in 2005 you had 4% White UE and 11% Black UE, a 7% differential. 2013, a 8% differential.
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Most of the differential is due to state/local govt employment losses, which have higher rates of minority employment...and the layoffs in those sectors was not due to "Obama policies".


But help me out, what has this to do with recent revenues?
 
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Meister said:
Obviously, you can't admit that it has gotten worse under Obama
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Unless you have a suggestion why, then what is the point of making that observation?

"I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have [solved any long term problem in society]."

You're blaming him for it, so what did Obama do or fail to do?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Let me help with the math, in 2005 you had 4% White UE and 11% Black UE, a 7% differential. 2013, a 8% differential.
And as I said:


Most of the differential is due to state/local govt employment losses, which have higher rates of minority employment...and the layoffs in those sectors was not due to "Obama policies".
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Cherry picking one quarter, eh? You can make excuses all you want. You may think it's because of government layoffs but that is a myth, most have had either early retirements, retirements, or been shuffled around. One thing about the government is job security...worked for them for 30 years myself. After the probation period they couldn't lay me off unless I really screwed up.
Here is a nice article from USA Today without all the bias slanting. Some federal workers more likely to die than lose jobs - USATODAY.com


There is nothing I can say to change your mind, it's in for and inch, in for a mile with Obama....I get it the far left base always is.
 
JasperL said:
Unless you have a suggestion why, then what is the point of making that observation?

"I'm not going to blame Obama for that unless I have some idea of a policy choice he made or DID NOT MAKE, that if he'd done differently would have [solved any long term problem in society]."

You're blaming him for it, so what did Obama do or fail to do?
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I blame him for lack of policies for employment. I blame him for policies not conducive for hiring more employees, more full time employees. I blame him for wage stagnation. I blame him for a slipping middle class.
 
Meister said:
Cherry picking one quarter, eh? You can make excuses all you want. You may think it's because of government layoffs but that is a myth, most have had either early retirements, retirements, or been shuffled around. One thing about the government is job security...worked for them for 30 years myself. After the probation period they couldn't lay me off unless I really screwed up.
Here is a nice article from USA Today without all the bias slanting. Some federal workers more likely to die than lose jobs - USATODAY.com


There is nothing I can say to change your mind, it's in for and inch, in for a mile with Obama....I get it the far left base always is.
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I was not talking about federal worker, I said state/local govt. We had massive levels of state/local layoffs....and they were not due to the current admins "policies"....if anything they were moderated somewhat by the ARRA.

You are still implying that this admin is responsible for higher Black EU levels (that don't really exist) but you cannot show what policies did this.

Post em. we are waiting, prove your point.
 
Meister said:
Racial code? Are you speaking racial code?

Are you confused with what the other poster was asking and this is the best retort you socialists can come up with?
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No content here.

Lots of reasons why unemployment rates affect racial groups differentially in the US (mostly a long history of discrimination and robbery against certain groups, leaving them without capital resources). But you know that. Your real point seems to be blame blacks or Obama or anybody but your failed conservative ideology.
 
Meister said:
I blame him for lack of policies for employment. I blame him for policies not conducive for hiring more employees, more full time employees. I blame him for wage stagnation. I blame him for a slipping middle class.
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So you're for more stimulus, which was and is opposed by conservatives?

Defending absurd failed conservative policies leads to even more absurdities.
 
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