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Pie chart - WHERE YOUR INCOME TAX MONEY REALLY GOES

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Historically, I have not found that site to be consistent or accurate at all.
 
katsung47 said:
Pie chart - WHERE YOUR INCOME TAX MONEY REALLY GOES

Non-MILITARY: 55% and $1,580 BILLION
Total Outlays


https://www.warresisters.org/sites/default/files/2015 pie chart - high res.pdf
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Here. I'll make this look different, OK?

spending_-_discretionary_pie_2014.gif
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It's called "discretionary spending," because the vast majority of spending is somehow sacrosanct. Until Obama wants to rape Medicare to pay for his website, then all of a sudden, Medicare can be cut.

Citizens have a right to know where ALL the money goes. That includes taxes, Social Security taxes (Supreme Court ruled it a tax, not a "trust fund") and money printed out of thin air or as debt.

Trying to hide certain spending and not even show it on the pie chart is dishonest. Stop cooking the books. Stop taking food out of the inflation rate. Stop hiding long-term unemployed. Stop cheating. Tell people the truth.

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lizzie said:
Damnit- it still doesn't make it any more accurate. :lamo
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It's all how you add it up no matter which way you look at it. And who knows what changes somewhere down the line--and would they tell you? :shrug:
 
Respecthelect said:
Trying to hide certain spending and not even show it on the pie chart is dishonest. Stop cooking the books. Stop taking food out of the inflation rate.
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Food is included in the inflation rate with a weight of 13.989% of the basket. Table 1. Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U): U. S. city average, by expenditure category
Stop hiding long-term unemployed.
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They're not hidden: A-35. Unemployed total and full-time workers by duration of unemployment

Please do actual research.
 
MTAtech said:
From your link:

Mar.
2013-
Mar.
2014

All items

1.5%

Where do you get 13.989%? But none of this has anything to do with this thread.
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Food, relative weight: 13.890 (I mistyped the number). So 13..89% of all items is food.
 
pinqy said:
Food, relative weight: 13.890 (I mistyped the number). So 13..89% of all items is food.
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So? 13.89% of all items is food. That means 86.11% is not food.
 
If you did a pie chart based on the principles upon which this country was founded, most of the expenditures would be defense.
But that was then, and this now. Where the Government is the answer to all problems.
 
KLATTU said:
If you did a pie chart based on the principles upon which this country was founded, most of the expenditures would be defense.
But that was then, and this now. Where the Government is the answer to all problems.
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Actually the principles have not really changed. The founding fathers believed in public education, they believed in welfare, they believed in infrastrucuture.

The difference is that our economy as well as our demographics has changed... particularly from an agrarian society where the majority could grow or obtain their own food.. to and industrialized society where people buy food with wages.

Distinctly different economies with different advantages and disadvantages.
 
pinqy said:
The "so," is that Respechelect was claiming 0% was food.
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I think you are confused by the two different measures of inflation. Headline inflation includes food and energy. Core inflation excludes food and energy. To form monetary policy, the Fed uses Core inflation, because food and energy rise and fall rapidly.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually the principles have not really changed. The founding fathers believed in public education, they believed in welfare, they believed in infrastrucuture.

The difference is that our economy as well as our demographics has changed... particularly from an agrarian society where the majority could grow or obtain their own food.. to and industrialized society where people buy food with wages.

Distinctly different economies with different advantages and disadvantages.
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Public education is a local responsibility, so very little money should be on that pie chart.
Infrastructure-same.
Welfare-same.
The biggest believers in a massive Federal Government ( which is most assuredly what we have) are politicians who benefit by providing it.
 
KLATTU said:
Public education is a local responsibility, so very little money should be on that pie chart.
Infrastructure-same.
Welfare-same.
The biggest believers in a massive Federal Government ( which is most assuredly what we have) are politicians who benefit by providing it.
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Except in our society,, the local government cannot always meet the needs of its people or in some cases has not been willing to meet the needs of certain people based on color, race, so on and so forth. In fact not in just recent society.. from the founding of our country... even the founding fathers who were the biggest anti federalists... the ones that feared large central government realized that our growing nation had to grow the federal government. Washington realized the weakness of a militia and no standing army, Jefferson realized the same, Madison realized the need for a central bank... so on and so forth.

As our country has grown and changed, and as the world in which we live in has grown and changed, the need for a strong central government has come about.
 
MTAtech said:
I think you are confused by the two different measures of inflation. Headline inflation includes food and energy. Core inflation excludes food and energy. To form monetary policy, the Fed uses Core inflation, because food and energy rise and fall rapidly.
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I'm not confused. I used to work on the CPI. And there are many different measures of inflation. The claim was made that food is not included in inflation: it is. "Core" CPI is one of hundreds of indexes published by BLS. And the Fed uses the core PCE not CPI.

And where are you getting the idea that the OP knew the difference.
 
There are plenty of reports out about faked numbers. Here's one and here's two. Newsmax reports that only 15% of the public believe Obama's "substantially telling the truth," in most instances.

For those old enough to remember, Carter administration had the same problem telling the truth. When inflation was 18%, they said it was 6%. The public could sense the lies. Just like today. Omamaniacs will throw around various arguments as to why they lie, but can't escape the lie itself. We know it's bad and getting worse, don't tell us it's chocolate candy when we're in the sewer. We know what the brown stuff you're trying to sell us is.

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pinqy said:
And the Air Force?
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ah that stupid parsing again? the USAF is a wing of the US Military. DOesn't matter if we call it the army air corps, the Air force, the naval infantry (russian version of the marines etc)
 
pinqy said:
I'm not confused. I used to work on the CPI. And there are many different measures of inflation. The claim was made that food is not included in inflation: it is. "Core" CPI is one of hundreds of indexes published by BLS. And the Fed uses the core PCE not CPI.

And where are you getting the idea that the OP knew the difference.
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I really don't want to belabor such a minor point. If someone's claim was that food is not included in inflation, they are right, if they were referring to Core Inflation, which is used by the Fed. If you said food is included, you are right too, if you meant Headline inflation.
 
TurtleDude said:
ah that stupid parsing again? the USAF is a wing of the US Military. DOesn't matter if we call it the army air corps, the Air force, the naval infantry (russian version of the marines etc)
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Actually its not parsing, it is very technically correct US government is only allowed a Navy. Not a standing army or air force. The constitution is quite clear about that.
 
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