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Progressive taxation is not only essential, but MORAL.[W:963:1176:1448]

I can certainly see why your income level is finite and will never grow. Look in the mirror for the problem

I'm not complaining about my income. I'm doing just fine. But I do understand why some people are being effectively shut out of the overall prosperity, and I think it would be worth correcting.

You don't want to get into this debate, Con. You look stupid everytime you hit that keyboard.
 
I'm not complaining about my income. I'm doing just fine. But I do understand why some people are being effectively shut out of the overall prosperity, and I think it would be worth correcting.

You don't want to get into this debate, Con. You look stupid everytime you hit that keyboard.

Worth correcting how? Does personal responsibility rest anywhere in the mind of yours? The problem with debating someone like you is you are a legend in your own mind incapable of admitting when wrong. Not sure what your background is but I dealt with a lot of people like you in my 35 year business career and none of them were successful which doesn't bode well for you. you are incapable of competing in the private sector and are destined to be a burden to the taxpayers in the future
 
we will agree to disagree. One I personally knew was a man named John Smale. He was a young brand manager at PG-his brand was crest toothpaste. He'd attend the ADA conferences talking to dentists about tests PG had done concerning their Crest toothpaste. He'd try to convince them that Crest was really better. well after years of this, the ADA endorsed Crest. He made P&G over a billion dollars from that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Smale

if you want entertainment-read up on how Victor Kiam got his big break as an executive. he later was the guy who famously said (about Remington shavers) that he liked the shaver so much he bought the company. He turned around Remington from losing millions to making a big profit

Did he work one-thousand times harder than those in the lab who developed the product? The factory workers who make the product, and package it? The Engineer and Maintenance technicians who support the automation and keep the place running?
 
Did he work one-thousand times harder than those in the lab who developed the product? The factory workers who make the product, and package it? The Engineer and Maintenance technicians who support the automation and keep the place running?

He made the company over a billion dollars and led it to massive profits. Kiam bought a company that lost 30 million and the next year it recorded strong profits. I think that is far better evidence of "value"than paying an actor 20 million dollars for a film that probably would have done just as well with a guy they pay 1 million. Especially established franchises
 
Re: Progressive taxation is not only essential, but MORAL.



I think you meant to say, "most REPUBLICANS" aren't interested in what you're selling", because most AMERICANS support Democrats. Democratic House candidates received more than a million more votes than Republican House candidates did...but thanks to gerrymandering, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House.

In other words, there's more of US than there are of YOU. America's changing, guy, and you can't stop it. Get used to it.
I would be very careful of what you ask for, because you might just get it. I do believe communism is coming in the form of a one world government. I also know that, when it does, we will see a holocaust like none ever seen before on the history of mankind.
 
I would be very careful of what you ask for, because you might just get it. I do believe communism is coming in the form of a one world government. I also know that, when it does, we will see a holocaust like none ever seen before on the history of mankind.
You have to be careful dealing with some here who don't have any vested interest in this country and will always focus on bigger, stronger, more intrusive federal gov't. Liberalism thrives on these kind of people who always want someone else to pay for their personal responsibility issues. You see that all over blue states and blue cities especially with the homeless, druggies, unwanted children. There are no consequences in the liberal world until you convert to Socialism or Communism when the negatives really hit these people hard. We have a progressive tax structure now and a 6 trillion dollar federal gov't which isn't enough for some people here. Don't know why nor can you get anyone to tell you why.
 
You have to be careful dealing with some here who don't have any vested interest in this country and will always focus on bigger, stronger, more intrusive federal gov't. Liberalism thrives on these kind of people who always want someone else to pay for their personal responsibility issues. You see that all over blue states and blue cities especially with the homeless, druggies, unwanted children. There are no consequences in the liberal world until you convert to Socialism or Communism when the negatives really hit these people hard. We have a progressive tax structure now and a 6 trillion dollar federal gov't which isn't enough for some people here. Don't know why nor can you get anyone to tell you why.
Well said. It's really hard to wrap my head around how these people think. They really can't see the down side at all. Its shocking how ignorant and uninformed they are. Lenin had a term for people like this. He called them "useful idiots."
 
Well said. It's really hard to wrap my head around how these people think. They really can't see the down side at all. Its shocking how ignorant and uninformed they are. Lenin had a term for people like this. He called them "useful idiots."
You are replying to a poster that utilizes the two biggest socialism programs on earth, Social Security and Medicare.
 
Take two people, one that is poor, only earning the minimum wage, and one that is rich.

The poor person may not be paying any federal or state income taxes...but he does pay a lot of other taxes - sales tax, utility taxes, gas taxes, et al - and these taxes take up a much greater proportion of a that poor person's income than they do of a rich person's income. Of course, one might argue that these are only 'use taxes'...but if you think about it, all taxes are 'use taxes'...and any rich person uses FAR more of America's taxpayer-funded infrastructure than any poor person.

Adam Smith, the "Father of Capitalism", recognized this when he said:

"The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."

and

“The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”

But in today's political Right, the "Father of Capitalism" would be branded a bleeding-heart liberal socialist.

Be that as it may, conservatives are right about one thing - taxes ARE wealth redistribution. But when the rich pay the extra taxes, do those dollars go up in a puff of smoke? Of course not. When the poor get money - through whatever means, but preferably through work - they SPEND that money...and the money they spend helps to support their local businesses, which supports the local economy, which helps the national economy. HOWEVER, if a rich person decides to send their money to the Caymans or opens factories in China, those dollars are - as far as the American economy goes - WASTED.

That is why it is good for the nation - in morality and in effect - that the rich pay higher progressive taxes.

How, exactly, would you propose to make sales or excise taxes become (more) progressive?

It‘s easily possible to make an income tax effectively progressive even using a single flat taxation rate (of say 20%) - simply add a truly standard, yet generous, deduction (of say $40K). That way, the income tax is applied only to ’excess’ (gross) annual income from all sources - with no special treatment for capital gains or allowing other deductions based on how or upon who that ‘excess’ income was later spent.

The same is true for a flat rate property tax. It can be made effectively (more) progressive by exempting the first $X of one property’s assessed value from taxation. Those rich enough to own multiple properties only qualify for one $X (homestead?) exemption.
 
You are replying to a poster that utilizes the two biggest socialism programs on earth, Social Security and Medicare.
You don't have a fricken clue but maybe someday you will. I was FORCED into BOTH for 35 years paying along with my employer. That doesn't happen with socialism as then you would be funding my SS and Medicare, You didn't so stop letting the left make a fool out of you
 
You are replying to a poster that utilizes the two biggest socialism programs on earth, Social Security and Medicare.
And how would you know that? Did he/ she tell you that? Also, I have no problem with helping those truly in need. It's the right thing to do, within reason.
 
You don't have a fricken clue but maybe someday you will. I was FORCED into BOTH for 35 years paying along with my employer. That doesn't happen with socialism as then you would be funding my SS and Medicare, You didn't so stop letting the left make a fool out of you
everyone working now, is funding your social security and medicare. How can you still, after so many corrections, still not ****ing understand how those 2 programs work?
 
everyone working now, is funding your social security and medicare. How can you still, after so many corrections, still not ****ing understand how those 2 programs work?
You are right, everyone working is funding them, but it wasn't designed that way. It was designed (at least social security was) as a trust fund. That changed when congress raided the trust fund so they could spend more money. That's why the fund is in danger of collapse. If they had left it alone, ot would be completely solvent.
 
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