eaceIf America switched to Universal Health care the biggest hit would not be the medical field but the Insurance companies and the investors of Insurance companies..
Which just might free up more money to average Americans as well as companies and factories, after all if they don't have to have insurance as a benefit to the workers , perhaps the workers might get a raise.
eace:
I didn't say that, I said it would free up the jobs to get a raise.
I worked 30 yrs in Michigan at one assembly line or another you don't have to tel me about the Companies #1 priority PROFITS.
Hell everybody knows that.
But sometimes having one priority is not enough, for if they only look at profits they may take other things for granted , like the all important CUSTOMER.
When the outsourcing of jobs began they were warned by many especially workers.
I think they actually believed that old patriotic saying "be patriotic buy American" needless to say that saying and a lot of customers left with the jobs.
Foreign products began outselling American products almost immediately .
Example; the bailout of 2008 which cost American taxpayers "many of whom lost their job to outsourcing" 740 million dollars.
So now they want to bring back the jobs to America, but the CEOS don't seem that interested.
I think they're waiting for the next stimulus package they may take the money but customers will not return to American products anytime soon.
Not without more jobs from American products , not foreign made but American made.
As for health care check out how many doctors in America come from someplace else, ever wonder WHY?
Because America does not have universal health care , an average doctor from a country that has Universal Healthcare gets paid a set price , coming to America to them is like joining a gold rush except they're not looking for gold they're looking for sick people and America has a lot of those.
Do you know how much money America from the government to average taxpayer spends on Healthcare including those insurance payments and premiums. I'll let you look that up and compare to any nation that has Universal Healthcare.
eacelol, no. Single payer healthcare systems provide better care than ours, and at a fraction of our cost.Well.. first you have to decide whether you are talking about universal healthcare.. or single payer healthcare because they aren;t the same thing.
However.. yes.. if you look at what is spent on healthcare including insurance payments and premiums its less than in most other countries.
Then again.. if you look at what WAGES are in those other countries.. you understand why they pay less. Their costs are less.
Which is why by the way.. corporations have fled the US to these other countries were wages are cheaper. Except healthcare can;t flee. So.. in the US.. we pay our medical folks a lot more in general than any other country. and that props up the wages for all the workers in the area. Healthcare in this country is one of the top if not the top source of new jobs.
huh? they already have single payer.
been over this already, and provided you a peer reviewed paper showing single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of ours. this is empirical reality.
medicare/Medicaid is single payer.
I don't need to.
already have. The paper clearly shows single payer systems provide better care than we do, at a fraction of the cost. this is empirical fact.
Um no.. first.. medicare and medicaid are very distinctly DIFFERENT insurances..
they are both single payer.
medicare and Medicaid are single payer.
strawman
asked and answered.
strawman. they already have single payer. We will just be expanding the current single payer system in the US to cover everyone. Then we can enjoy what the rest of the first world nations do. Better healthcare than we get now, at a fraction of the cost.
Medicaid and medicare are both single payer. This is an objective fact of reality. If you don't know what words mean, or how our system operates, you have no business in this discussion.
nope. the goalposts remain firmly in place where they've always been. Your argument was made up and attributed to me, which is the definition of a strawman. That's why I called you on it.
already established that we have single payer with Medicaid/medicare. We would simply expand enrollment of medicare to everyone, not just those over 65.
both medicare and Medicaid are single payer. You keep trying to pin this strawman on me about switching to canadas system, when I've never once maid such a claim.
Well.. first you have to decide whether you are talking about universal healthcare.. or single payer healthcare because they aren;t the same thing.
However.. yes.. if you look at what is spent on healthcare including insurance payments and premiums its less than in most other countries.
Then again.. if you look at what WAGES are in those other countries.. you understand why they pay less. Their costs are less.
Which is why by the way.. corporations have fled the US to these other countries were wages are cheaper. Except healthcare can;t flee. So.. in the US.. we pay our medical folks a lot more in general than any other country. and that props up the wages for all the workers in the area. Healthcare in this country is one of the top if not the top source of new jobs.
eaceYeah..no we don;t.. see above.
Bingo.. see above.
Tons. Many of my employees are those very same doctors. Especially in the rural areas. Many foreign trained physicians can get a visa if they are going to work in a underserved area.
Absolutely. First because it means that american trained doctors are making more.. and those Doctors of the World making more?
I refuted that above.
yes
they are both single payer. the government is paying the medical providers. now, please stop talking about topics you are completely ignorant of.
