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    Quote Originally Posted by Razoo View Post
    By now the high overall cost of health care in the United States is broadly recognized. And many Americans are acutely aware of how much they pay for their own care. Those without health insurance face sky-high doctor and hospital bills and ever more aggressive collection tactics—when they receive care at all.

    Those who are fortunate enough to have insurance experience steep annual premium hikes along with rising deductibles and co-pays, and, all too often, a well-founded fear of losing their coverage should they lose a job or have a serious illness in the family.

    Still, Americans may well underestimate the degree to which they subsidize the current U.S. health care system out of their own pockets. And almost no one recognizes that even people without health insurance pay substantial sums into the system today.

    If more people understood the full size of the health care bill that they as individuals are already paying—and for a system that provides seriously inadequate care to millions of Americans—then the corporate opponents of a universal single-payer system might find it far more difficult to frighten the public about the costs of that system.

    In other words, to recognize the advantages of a single-payer system, we have to understand how the United States funds health care and health research and how much it actually costs us today.
    How much is the sick U.S. health care system costing you?

    Could WE say paying more and getting less?
    The problem is.. you also have to understand how single payer systems work.. which its obvious that they proponents of single payer in America do not understand.

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    Moreover, tax dollars also pay for critical elements of the health care system apart from direct care—Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies.
    And what do you think the response to a cut in those funds will be from the medical system?

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    If America switched to Universal Health care the biggest hit would not be the medical field but the Insurance companies and the investors of Insurance companies..
    Which just might free up more money to average Americans as well as companies and factories, after all if they don't have to have insurance as a benefit to the workers , perhaps the workers might get a raise.
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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    And what do you think the response to a cut in those funds will be from the medical system?
    It is why we need to insist on equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States, so market participants can more fully engage our markets and market based economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    If America switched to Universal Health care the biggest hit would not be the medical field but the Insurance companies and the investors of Insurance companies..
    Which just might free up more money to average Americans as well as companies and factories, after all if they don't have to have insurance as a benefit to the workers , perhaps the workers might get a raise.
    Actually if we switched to UNIVERSAL healthcare.. the big boon would be the insurance companies.

    There is a difference between universal healthcare and single payer.

    I always get a laugh at the "we might get a raise"..

    Companies have been making buttloads of greater profits for more than two or three decades but wages are stagnant..

    And you think that if employers have the government paying their healthcare premiums.. that companies will magnanimously start giving out bonuses and won't simply pocket the profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Actually if we switched to UNIVERSAL healthcare.. the big boon would be the insurance companies.

    There is a difference between universal healthcare and single payer.

    I always get a laugh at the "we might get a raise"..

    Companies have been making buttloads of greater profits for more than two or three decades but wages are stagnant..

    And you think that if employers have the government paying their healthcare premiums.. that companies will magnanimously start giving out bonuses and won't simply pocket the profits.
    I didn't say that, I said it would free up the jobs to get a raise.
    I worked 30 yrs in Michigan at one assembly line or another you don't have to tel me about the Companies #1 priority PROFITS.
    Hell everybody knows that.
    But sometimes having one priority is not enough, for if they only look at profits they may take other things for granted , like the all important CUSTOMER.
    When the outsourcing of jobs began they were warned by many especially workers.
    I think they actually believed that old patriotic saying "be patriotic buy American" needless to say that saying and a lot of customers left with the jobs.
    Foreign products began outselling American products almost immediately .
    Example; the bailout of 2008 which cost American taxpayers "many of whom lost their job to outsourcing" 740 million dollars.

    So now they want to bring back the jobs to America, but the CEOS don't seem that interested.
    I think they're waiting for the next stimulus package they may take the money but customers will not return to American products anytime soon.
    Not without more jobs from American products , not foreign made but American made.

    As for health care check out how many doctors in America come from someplace else, ever wonder WHY?
    Because America does not have universal health care , an average doctor from a country that has Universal Healthcare gets paid a set price , coming to America to them is like joining a gold rush except they're not looking for gold they're looking for sick people and America has a lot of those.
    Do you know how much money America from the government to average taxpayer spends on Healthcare including those insurance payments and premiums. I'll let you look that up and compare to any nation that has Universal Healthcare.:
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I didn't say that, I said it would free up the jobs to get a raise.
    I worked 30 yrs in Michigan at one assembly line or another you don't have to tel me about the Companies #1 priority PROFITS.
    Hell everybody knows that.
    But sometimes having one priority is not enough, for if they only look at profits they may take other things for granted , like the all important CUSTOMER.
    When the outsourcing of jobs began they were warned by many especially workers.
    I think they actually believed that old patriotic saying "be patriotic buy American" needless to say that saying and a lot of customers left with the jobs.
    Foreign products began outselling American products almost immediately .
    Example; the bailout of 2008 which cost American taxpayers "many of whom lost their job to outsourcing" 740 million dollars.

    So now they want to bring back the jobs to America, but the CEOS don't seem that interested.
    I think they're waiting for the next stimulus package they may take the money but customers will not return to American products anytime soon.
    Not without more jobs from American products , not foreign made but American made.

    As for health care check out how many doctors in America come from someplace else, ever wonder WHY?
    Because America does not have universal health care , an average doctor from a country that has Universal Healthcare gets paid a set price , coming to America to them is like joining a gold rush except they're not looking for gold they're looking for sick people and America has a lot of those.
    Do you know how much money America from the government to average taxpayer spends on Healthcare including those insurance payments and premiums. I'll let you look that up and compare to any nation that has Universal Healthcare.:
    Well.. first you have to decide whether you are talking about universal healthcare.. or single payer healthcare because they aren;t the same thing.

    However.. yes.. if you look at what is spent on healthcare including insurance payments and premiums its less than in most other countries.

    Then again.. if you look at what WAGES are in those other countries.. you understand why they pay less. Their costs are less.

    Which is why by the way.. corporations have fled the US to these other countries were wages are cheaper. Except healthcare can;t flee. So.. in the US.. we pay our medical folks a lot more in general than any other country. and that props up the wages for all the workers in the area. Healthcare in this country is one of the top if not the top source of new jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Well.. first you have to decide whether you are talking about universal healthcare.. or single payer healthcare because they aren;t the same thing.

    However.. yes.. if you look at what is spent on healthcare including insurance payments and premiums its less than in most other countries.

    Then again.. if you look at what WAGES are in those other countries.. you understand why they pay less. Their costs are less.

    Which is why by the way.. corporations have fled the US to these other countries were wages are cheaper. Except healthcare can;t flee. So.. in the US.. we pay our medical folks a lot more in general than any other country. and that props up the wages for all the workers in the area. Healthcare in this country is one of the top if not the top source of new jobs.
    lol, no. Single payer healthcare systems provide better care than ours, and at a fraction of our cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahl View Post
    lol, no. Single payer healthcare systems provide better care than ours, and at a fraction of our cost.
    Great.. then please give me a rationale to my US patients.. who have US medicaid and US medicare..

    Why they should want to switch to Canadian single payer.. that does not cover their outpatient medications..outpatient therapies, home health, and durable medical goods

    When their current US medicare and US medicaid DO cover those things....

    Please explain it to them.. lets hear your rationale. Please explain how they will have better care.. without coverage for outpatient therapies, home health, and outpatient medications.

    Lets hear it.

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