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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    There's no market for what police do. They have no obligation to protect my life, liberty, or property, so why would I or anyone else voluntarily pay for them?
    Because no successful country in the world can operate without them

    The only countries without them are failed states

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    It is all done thru the provinces

    Most provincial and territorial governments offer and fund supplementary benefits for certain groups (e.g., low-income residents and seniors), such as drugs prescribed outside hospitals, ambulance costs, and hearing, vision and dental care, that are not covered under the*Canada Health Act.

    Canada's Health Care System - Canada.ca
    EXACTLY.. its NOT DONE THROUGH CANADIAN SINGLE PAYER.

    ITs a mishmash of provincial and territorial plans.. subject to a lot of variability in criteria and coverage.

    ITS NOT SINGLE PAYER.

    Thanks for playing.. you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    EXACTLY.. its NOT DONE THROUGH CANADIAN SINGLE PAYER.

    ITs a mishmash of provincial and territorial plans.. subject to a lot of variability in criteria and coverage.

    ITS NOT SINGLE PAYER.

    Thanks for playing.. you lose.
    Sure it is. It is all part of their healthcare system

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Yes, but the incentives facing the employees are drastically different when they work for the government, and that makes all the difference. Government agencies get paid no matter how poorly they perform, because the money is taken from the populace by force via taxation. In the private sector you only get paid if you can convince people to voluntarily give you money in return for whatever you're offering. Compare public schools to private schools, public housing projects to private housing, public transportation to private cars and trucks.

    What examples are there of government producing a private good better and cheaper than the market?
    Government agencies don't get paid no matter how poorly they perform. People routinely vote out politicians over "too much taxation". And government agencies routinely take it in the shorts with decreased funding.

    Compare public schools to private schools, public housing projects to private housing, public transportation to private cars and trucks.
    Yes.. compare. That's not a function of government agency incompetence vs free market competence. That's a function of free market being able to select their customer.

    If you forced private schools to take anyone who could not pay, anyone who didn't want to be there.. anyone who was a disciplinary problem? Hah.. you would see private schools fold up like nobodies business. They could not handle the forced difficulties that a public school deals with.

    The same with public housing and public transportation. The free market CAN'T HANDLE the difficulties with these populations. IF they could.. there would be no need for public facilities.

    That's the irony.. the public facilities are there because the free market entities.. CANNOT OPERATE...

    Not the other way around.

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Sure it is. It is all part of their healthcare system
    Wait.. so you are saying that their SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE doesn't solve this...

    I thought you stated that Single payer was the solution?

    Hmmm..thanks for playing.. you lose.. AGAIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Yep..their system... just not SINGLE PAYER.

    And it leaves a number of folks without services. Like approximately 1million or so without coverage for medications.
    It is part of single payer. The government is paying for those services...not the patient.


    Deny that

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Nope. You have not made any rebuttal... I point out where your "peer reviewed paper".. falls flat on its face when it comes to your assertions.
    again, your rebuttal to the peer reviewed paper I gave you has been "nuh uh". You have provided no peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you. You remain refuted.

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    It is part of single payer. The government is paying for those services...not the patient.


    Deny that
    No.. its not part of single payer.

    Those services are not part of single payer.. because those services are covered by a myriad of payers.. local, provincial, and private.. different payers in different territories and provinces.

    Deny that.

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by rahl View Post
    again, your rebuttal to the peer reviewed paper I gave you has been "nuh uh". You have provided no peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you. You remain refuted.
    No..my rebuttal to your interpretation of the peer reviewed report is NOT "nuh UH".

    My rebuttal has been that your paper does NOT say that single payer provides better healthcare in other countries than the US.. because... as you read in the paper.. the US scores higher than many other countries in some things.. like quality of care. And timeliness of care.

    Our are you really going to argue that I am better off having complex surgery in rural Mexico than the US? Hardly.

    And while the US does score lower than some single payer countries in some things.. like equity of care... ITS ALSO WHILE IT HAS 13% of its population without coverage.

    So.. take that statistic away.. and only count those that have insurance? And suddenly the US does way better than most other countries.

    SO.. the reality is that that what that paper really says... is that if you live in the US and don't have health insurance coverage... you would be better off with a single payer system like Canada.

    however.. what that paper also says.. is that if you DO have insurance in America.. an insurance like Medicare or Medicaid... you are better off having Medicare or Medicaid.. than having an insurance system like many single payer countries... like Canada's.

    That's just the reality... Your claims about what the paper you presented means.. is wrong. And I have provided logical and verifiable evidence on why.

    I get it.. you don't want to have a debate because you don't understand the subject and want to interpret the peer reviewed paper.. the way you want to.. without actually reading it and understanding what its data actually tells us.

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    Re: Healthcare profiteering - rip off in plain sight.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    No..my rebuttal to your interpretation of the peer reviewed report is NOT "nuh UH".

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    yes it is, as you've not provided a single shred of scholarly evidence to rebut what I gave you.

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