Just like i oppose this govt overreach. Saying the SCOTUS disagrees is irrelevant.
No I want people to have the constitutional right to free association they are entitled to. I can't for the life of me figure out why any business would turn away any customer but should they be free to? I think so since the govt is not allowed to discriminate but individuals can.
Government is allowed to discriminate and they do so all the time if they have compelling interest. The purpose of government is to protect the rights of citizens. If you want access to the public market you can not discriminate absent compelling interest. In your private life do whatever you want
No. Who would limit it?
So there are no limits on govt interefernece and there shouldn't be any?
Where does the govt discriminate? Why do my individual rights become subordinate to the rights of others? The compelling interest is I have a constitutional right to free association.
The government discriminates in a 1000 ways. The air force discriminates against blind people that wants to be pilots. The fbi discriminates against felons who want to be agents.
Its call strict scrutiny and compelling interest
Your rights do not outweigh the rights of everyone else
There are no limits on the government and there can't be any, because any entity capable of limiting the government would (by definition) be the government.
That does not mean that the things our government does are rational or productive.
That's not discrimination as no blind person is allowed to be a pilot and no felons can be agents.
I agree but neither do yours or anyone else's.
You understand by not allowing someone to do something you are discriminating against them. Like not allowing women to vote or not allowing black people to sit in the front of the bus.
It is the definition of discrimination
Ok fair enough. Then if the govt can do it so and individuals especially since they have a right to free association. You have no "right" to my labor.
No individuals can not do it. You can not threaten the president u der the first amendment. You can not bring your gun on a plane under the second amendment. And on and on
So the govt can discriminate but individuals cant even though I have a right to freely associate with whoever I want ? So if I go to court the govt can decide against me because I am white or black or Asian. Hmmmmm You seem to be conflating the exercise of rights with discrimination which is irrelevant.
You still have no "right" to my labor.
The government can discriminate against you with compelling interest. You may discriminate within the law.
I'm not sure you know what discrimination.means if you think it only applies to race or religion
There is no compelling interest that has yet been explained that would require a baker to make a gay wedding cake.
I have been talking about all along the right of businesses to decide who they sell their labor to. Threatening the president is completely irrelevant.
My point is all rights have limits. You say you have the right of free association. Well that and every other right has limits.
The marketplace is open to the public. Dont like it...dont go into business
So you have to show where that right should be limited.
So what if its open to the public? You have no "right" to my labor. Don't like that someone won't sell you a gay wedding cake go to another bakery. That's actually how freedom works.
Not in America. In fact I dont know any country that does that.
The marketplace is open to the public. We are not going back to white only businesses
Didn't address issue
No one but you is talking about going back to white only businesses. Will you address issue or not. Where do you obtain a "right" to my labor?
As soon as you enter the marketplace everyone has a right to your labor absent compelling interest in the US per federal anti discrimination laws
Except they don't as the SCOTUS decided in favor of the baker. Being in the public doesn't give anyone a right to anything least of all a right to my labor. I walk down the street that doesn't mean people can stop me and,look through my belongings. As you said all rights have limits yet the thugs want to push.
The cake thing is an open question. There has been decisions on both sides of it.
But no one will deny that you are allowed to violate anti discrimination laws in the public marketplace.
That is well established black letter law
No the govt agency the Colorado Civil Rights Commission what a crock of sh it overreach their authority and were noted as being hostile to the bakers religious convictions.
Until you present a coherent argument for why you have a right to my labor then it's all govt thuggery,
Actually there are federal anti discrimination laws.
You are certainly entitled to that opinion
Which are bull spit
Yes i am and I am right. I haven't yet ever had anyone explain how anyone has a right to my labor. It just ends up with something profound like, "Well that's the law". Hilarious.
Well you have an opinion. But that's it. You can not discriminate in the marketplace absent compelling interest.
That is a fact