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    Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    So much of human evolution is powered by us trying to keep up with the viruses we encounter..

    So much that it is theorized that the reason for the length of any creatures life span is how long it can live and still change enough to keep up with how fast viruses evolve..

    How much does modern medicine hamstring that???


    A certain percentage of the evolution of our immune systems require viruses to kill off the percentage of the population that is not immune to it, so only the immune systems that can handle the virus are passed on ..

    So wouldn’t there be a price to pay for avoiding them rather than letting our immune systems learn to cope with them???


    It seems to me that our immune systems would not keep up?

    For sure I could have a fundamental misunderstanding of how all of that works, but if not....


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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    So when the whites killed the native americans with small pox, was it just evolution?
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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    So much of human evolution is powered by us trying to keep up with the viruses we encounter..

    So much that it is theorized that the reason for the length of any creatures life span is how long it can live and still change enough to keep up with how fast viruses evolve..

    How much does modern medicine hamstring that???


    A certain percentage of the evolution of our immune systems require viruses to kill off the percentage of the population that is not immune to it, so only the immune systems that can handle the virus are passed on ..

    So wouldn’t there be a price to pay for avoiding them rather than letting our immune systems learn to cope with them???


    It seems to me that our immune systems would not keep up?

    For sure I could have a fundamental misunderstanding of how all of that works, but if not....


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    We are evolved to be hunter/gatherers on the African Savanna where we would use our superior endurance and heat tolerance to run down game over long distances and club it to death. That in a nutshell is the natural state of man. Point being, we have long ago moved away from typical natural selection pressures, so I am not sure why anyone would freak out over our embrace of modern medicine.
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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are evolved to be hunter/gatherers on the African Savanna where we would use our superior endurance and heat tolerance to run down game over long distances and club it to death. That in a nutshell is the natural state of man. Point being, we have long ago moved away from typical natural selection pressures, so I am not sure why anyone would freak out over our embrace of modern medicine.

    This. Its also why “it aint natural” is dumb as hell as an argument.


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    So when the whites killed the native americans with small pox, was it just evolution?
    Yes...


    Just like when the plague killed off every almost every European who was not immune..


    Science doesn’t care about right and wrong.


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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are evolved to be hunter/gatherers on the African Savanna where we would use our superior endurance and heat tolerance to run down game over long distances and club it to death. That in a nutshell is the natural state of man. Point being, we have long ago moved away from typical natural selection pressures, so I am not sure why anyone would freak out over our embrace of modern medicine.
    I did not say “natural state” there is no natural state as the state is constantly in flux..

    Nor am I freaking out over modern medicine..

    The skills needed to survive in a Hunter gatherer culture are nothing like the ones needed for a modern society..


    The skills our immune systems need to survive battle with the viruses the planet produces have not changed..

    If our immune systems were in a totally new environment, requiring totally new skills you would be right, but we are still swimming in the same pool we always were immune system wise


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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    So much of human evolution is powered by us trying to keep up with the viruses we encounter..

    So much that it is theorized that the reason for the length of any creatures life span is how long it can live and still change enough to keep up with how fast viruses evolve..

    How much does modern medicine hamstring that???


    A certain percentage of the evolution of our immune systems require viruses to kill off the percentage of the population that is not immune to it, so only the immune systems that can handle the virus are passed on ..

    So wouldn’t there be a price to pay for avoiding them rather than letting our immune systems learn to cope with them???


    It seems to me that our immune systems would not keep up?

    For sure I could have a fundamental misunderstanding of how all of that works, but if not....


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    Studies show that allergies and asthma are increasing in part due to our obsession with cleanliness. Mostly increases in the cities, not so in the rural areas. Kids need to get dirty, it builds life long immunity. But it only works if they are allowed to get dirty as kids.

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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Studies show that allergies and asthma are increasing in part due to our obsession with cleanliness. Mostly increases in the cities, not so in the rural areas. Kids need to get dirty, it builds life long immunity. But it only works if they are allowed to get dirty as kids.
    I’m sure to mess this up because of how long ago this happened.... but I used to work in a fine dining joint and had a repeat regular who was a local ER doctor...great guy.

    Well one day during random conversation he mentioned that in the 60s the US gov decided to wage war on kidney failure. So dialysis clinics popped up on every corner.

    This created all kinda defects that previously did not really exist.

    His very own daughter had an advanced case of diabetes. Concerning her he pointed out that before modern medicine no one with the bad version of diabetes you are born with survived to reproduce and pass on that gene.

    I heard that rant 20 years ago... so might have screwed a bit up and or merged the diabetes and kidney failure part..

    But the base point is solid... as we speak there are diseases that would not exist because the patient zero “shouldn’t” have passed on the gene.


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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
    For sure I could have a fundamental misunderstanding of how all of that works, but if not....
    Yes. You do have a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works...

    How much does modern medicine hamstring that???
    Modern medicine is what allows us the healthiest time in human history and our longer life spans.

    It is exactly that which is allowing humans the time and space to evolve.
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    Re: Are we hamstringing evolution by hiding from viruses???

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are evolved to be hunter/gatherers on the African Savanna where we would use our superior endurance and heat tolerance to run down game over long distances and club it to death. That in a nutshell is the natural state of man. Point being, we have long ago moved away from typical natural selection pressures, so I am not sure why anyone would freak out over our embrace of modern medicine.
    But Karen on Facebook told me vaccinations make kids dumb and 5G antennas give frogs gay cancer.
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