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Trump's Job Losses Will Exceed The Great Recession’s

Well he takes credit for a prosperous economy that he inherited so anything is possible.
 
99percenter said:
I can't go to the gym. I can't get a hair cut. No more sports to watch. This is trump way of life.
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i got a haircut at my barber 2 weeks ago

you call ahead, and get a time to show up

everyone must wear a mask

you wait in car or outside till they call you....no one inside except barbers and those in chair

so yes, i LOSE a little convenience but i get my service

who needs a gym? i can do cardio and exercise at home....no i dont lift, but again small inconvenience

and sports is restarting...slowly but restarting

and btw, way to show your colors blaming Trump for a worldwide pandemic....shows true maturity

and this is temporary....what are you 20, 25? hate to see you actually have to live through tough times....
 
gdgyva said:
i got a haircut at my barber 2 weeks ago

you call ahead, and get a time to show up

everyone must wear a mask

you wait in car or outside till they call you....no one inside except barbers and those in chair

so yes, i LOSE a little convenience but i get my service

who needs a gym? i can do cardio and exercise at home....no i dont lift, but again small inconvenience

and sports is restarting...slowly but restarting

and btw, way to show your colors blaming Trump for a worldwide pandemic....shows true maturity

and this is temporary....what are you 20, 25? hate to see you actually have to live through tough times....
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i cant get a haircut in my state. Trump has vastly removed our freedoms.
 
upsideguy said:
19 people out of 95,000 is not argument. Most people think Cuomo handled this brilliantly (not perfectly) while Trump ran away from the problem. Cuomo is not on the ballot; Trump is.

Fauci, Cuomo most trusted; Trump, Kushner least trusted on coronavirus - Business Insider

It is the fundamental job of the President to keep us safe and coordinate the response to threats to US citizens. He abdicated that responsibility and will be held accountable for the result. I think the Britian's prestigious journal of medicine, the Lancet, says it well: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31140-5/fulltext

..but, if you want I have 100 experts that have written editorials on Trump's mismanagement of this. Do you want to see them? No, not necessary, they also will be made into 30 to 60 second spots.

Trump may have tried to run from this in February, March, April and May, but its going to catch up with him in September, October and, of course, November. Even he knows he is over his head, which is why he is trying to run from it.

Trump did not keep Americans safe. Will he keep us safe from the second wave, which may be hitting right around election time?



The Corona virus will be responsible for SOME of the job loss; the response (or lack thereof) will be responsible for SOME of the job loss, with the latter responsible for much of the sustained job loss. This crisis has called for leadership. Did leadership answer that call?
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He answered the call, the democrats who didn't want to give him the satisfaction, decided to let their people suffer.
 
Conservative said:
Apparently the left has a problem understanding economic results vs pandemic results along with failure to comprehend the difference between an economic collapse and economic SHUTDOWN.

Apparently the people aren't paying a lot of attention to you as evidenced by the California and Wisconsin Special elections, where was the anti Trump sentiment in those elections as both Democrats ran on anti Trump, impeachment supporting rhetoric.

There is going to come a time when you are going to have to address results and policies, when you do the following hits you right in the face

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
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Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

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U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
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Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
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African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
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There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
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They have a hard time understanding plenty at this point.

We should be used to this kind of thing by now.
 
haymarket said:
Well he takes credit for a prosperous economy that he inherited so anything is possible.
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You keep making that claim never posting data supporting that claim. You think inherited 487 billion dollar GDP Growth is a healthy economy? You still don't get it, do you, Liberalism is a fraud now promoting the false narrative that the economic shutdown is an economic collapse and that pandemic results trump economic results generated by economic policies

You really are engrained in that liberal ideology totally ignoring official federal data like the following

Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
[Billions of dollars]
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: April 29, 2020 - Next Release Date May 28, 2020

Line 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
Line
1 Gross domestic product 14712.8 14448.9 14992.1 15542.6 16197 16784.9 17527.3 18224.8 18715 19519.4 20580.2 21427.7
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Obama 14.7 GDP to 18.7 GDP, that is 4.0 trillion in 3 years

Trump 18.7 GDP to 21.4 GDP that is 2.7 trillion 3 years

GDP has four components with Gov't spending being the second component. What do you think the 842 billion shovel ready job stimulus do to Obama's GDP number?

Then there is employment

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2008 to 2019

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143292 143362 143316 143635 143882 143999 144264 144326 144418 143537 144479 144778
2014 145150 145134 145648 145667 145825 146247 146399 146530 146778 147427 147404 147615 1.9
2015 148150 148053 148122 148491 148802 148765 148815 149175 148853 149270 149506 150164
2016 150622 150934 151146 150963 151074 151104 151450 151766 151877 151949 152150 152276
2017 152128 152417 152958 153150 152920 153176 153456 153591 154399 153847 153945 154065
2018 154482 155213 155160 155216 155539 155592 155964 155604 156069 156582 156803 156945
2019 156694 156949 156748 156645 156758 157005 157288 157878 158269 158510 158593 158803
2020 158700 158759
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842 billion stimulus signed Mid February 2009, over 3 years later still not back to the employment level when taking office, not until 2014 did we get back to pre recession levels. Obama and liberal economic policies are a failure for ALL Americans
 
GDViking said:
According to 200 presidential scholars he is already the worst in history, and that was before the trump virus...
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The hatred for Trump is quite telling just like the love affair with Obama. I have posted the Obama results vs. the Trump results only to be ignored. That defines liberalism and "Rules for Radicals" keep plowing ahead, ignore actual verifiable results that don't support the narrative and continue focus on spreading your own information. Post 57

Trump will always be considered the worst President by radicals and so called scholars who buy the socialist liberal agenda
 
Conservative said:
You keep making that claim never posting data supporting that claim. You think inherited 487 billion dollar GDP Growth is a healthy economy? You still don't get it, do you, Liberalism is a fraud now promoting the false narrative that the economic shutdown is an economic collapse and that pandemic results trump economic results generated by economic policies

You really are engrained in that liberal ideology totally ignoring official federal data like the following



Obama 14.7 GDP to 18.7 GDP, that is 4.0 trillion in 3 years

Trump 18.7 GDP to 21.4 GDP that is 2.7 trillion 3 years

GDP has four components with Gov't spending being the second component. What do you think the 842 billion shovel ready job stimulus do to Obama's GDP number?

Then there is employment



842 billion stimulus signed Mid February 2009, over 3 years later still not back to the employment level when taking office, not until 2014 did we get back to pre recession levels. Obama and liberal economic policies are a failure for ALL Americans
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Big increases under Obama at the end of eight years. Thanks for pointing that out
 
haymarket said:
Big increases under Obama at the end of eight years. Thanks for pointing that out
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Big increases?? I have indeed pointed out how false your comments are, Obama left Trump with 487 billion GDP growth that he almost doubled after taking office and revoking Obama's anti Growth Executive Orders. Your loyalty to Obama is cult like, why?

Why are you ignoring the massive gov't spending that was part of the Obama GDP?
 
ludin said:
YOu tell me how he is responsible or Gov's shutting down their states and ordering people to stay home and not work.
let me know when you can actually respond with some kind of logical answer that makes sense.
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I agree the economy taking isn't solely on Trump. It is weighted far more on all of the Governors. But, he is still the POTUS, and all POTUS' get more credit than they may deserve and on the other end of that pendulum, they get more blame than deserved.
But to sit here and say that Trump has had no effect on the economy is just disingenuous.
Bottom line, though, is who will the public blame for it? If they choose to blame the Governors then Trump should get 4 more years.
But if they don't?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You don't actually want to talk about the Trump results.

It's not convenient.
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Actually I don't like talking to despicable human beings who blame the President for CV deaths and ignore their own personal responsibility issues. I also don't like Canadians who ignore their own problems to interject their ideology into our politics. Seems Canada has its own problem doing worse than the U.S. in CV deaths.

5/21/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1608085 95087 5.9%

Spain 280117 28001 10.0%

Italy 228006 32486 14.2%

England 250908 36042 14.4%

France 144163 28215 19.6%

Netherlands 44888 5788 12.9%

Canada 81324 6152 7.6%

Germany 179021 8309 4.6%

Belgium 56511 9212 16.3%

S. Korea 11142 264 2.4%

WORLD 5106686 333001 6.5%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing
 
gdgyva said:
why?

was there any other reason other than a pandemic?

so an act of God caused massive unemployment....

here is where the election will be won or lost....

what happens between NOW and October?

Are a lot of those jobs recovered, and we back on the road to recovery? Or are we stuck in a recession/depression event?

If the first, Trump wins easily.....

If the second, the democrats should win the WH and maybe even the senate

so i assume you will be rooting for a really crappy economy.....right?
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Good points. For sure, it does matter if jobs come back by Oct. But it is going to be an uphill battle to re-employ 33+ million people.
This job loss was like turning off a light switch, turning it back on will be more complicated.
You can open all the restaurants you want, but if no one is going because they too have just started back to work and have bills to pay, then this job loss to job gain may not end up looking like the "V" that Trump says it will.
But, if it does, then you and Trump have nothing to worry about? Right?
 
haymarket said:
Trump takes the credit for the good things that happened in the first three years - he has to take the bad with it. Over 93,000 dead and climbing ever higher ..... over 40 million out of work. And it all happened on Trumps watch. And it is an election year.
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And if this was happening under a Clinton admin?
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Conservative said:
Actually I don't like talking.
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About the Trump results.

Almost a Hundred Thousand Dead.

Tens of Millions Unemployed.

Trillions added to the debt.

That's the Trump results.

And it's what you'd be saying of the POTUS was a Democrat.

It's why you ignore all debt for Republicans, but not for Democrats.

It's why you specifically write off a bunch of debt for Bush because of 9/11.

And put every cent in response to the Great Recession at Obamas Feet.

It's why you are now writing off every cent Trump generates in debt in response to this.

Propaganda and cherry picking convenient data points.

It's all you are and all you do.
 
99percenter said:
Trump's Job Losses Will Exceed The Great Recession’s

the trump depression will probably go down as the worst in US history.
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Maybe. Maybe not. The problem is going to be the folks who spent their money at Walmart instead of using it more responsibly. In the end though, the market will absorb the money in its as is position through inflation. Hamburger jumped up to $7.49 a pound from $3.48/lb at my grocery of choice. Double price of hand sanitizer bad. Double price of food A-ok.
 
Jetboogieman said:
About the Trump results.

Almost a Hundred Thousand Dead.

Tens of Millions Unemployed.

Trillions added to the debt.

That's the Trump results.

And it's what you'd be saying of the POTUS was a Democrat.

It's why you ignore all debt for Republicans, but not for Democrats.

It's why you specifically write off a bunch of debt for Bush because of 9/11.

And put every cent in response to the Great Recession at Obamas Feet.

It's why you are now writing off every cent Trump generates in debt in response to this.

Propaganda and cherry picking convenient data points.

It's all you are and all you do.
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Those aren't Trump results, those are pandemic results, your claims that Trump is responsible are despicable.

I don't ignore anything as I post official results which you ignored, just like you ignored the Canadian Deaths and percentage. I also look at death in terms of what we got for it as a country and have posted that, you ignored that as well. Your biased partisanship is based upon your own personal views and liberal arrogance.

Yes the response to the recession is directly at Obama's feet as his shovel ready jobs stimulus didn't create the shovel ready jobs thus taxpayers at a cost of 842 billion dollars that was used mostly to pay off liberal support groups. You would deny history and reality to promote the left wing radical agenda that is a fraud, It doesn't help people it imprisons people which is why you never post any official liberal results.

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
 
Conservative said:
Big increases?? I have indeed pointed out how false your comments are, Obama left Trump with 487 billion GDP growth that he almost doubled after taking office and revoking Obama's anti Growth Executive Orders. Your loyalty to Obama is cult like, why?

Why are you ignoring the massive gov't spending that was part of the Obama GDP?
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Government spending under Trump has massively increased the debt by trillions of dollars .
Plus we are approaching 100,000 dead from the virus and 40 million out of work.

Trump is finished and its all over but the celebrating.
 
Pound4abrown said:
And if this was happening under a Clinton admin?
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It did NOT happen under Clintons administration.

If you referring to Hillary - that's dwelling in some imaginary lala land.
 
haymarket said:
Government spending under Trump has massively increased the debt by trillions of dollars .
Plus we are approaching 100,000 dead from the virus and 40 million out of work.

Trump is finished and its all over but the celebrating.
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I don't see any link to support that claim pre pandemic? Glad you think he is finished but hope your health handles another four years of Trump as the results warrant re-election. For someone who I believe claimed to be a teacher I cannot believe how poorly informed you are on the budget of the United States and the line items. Let me help you

US Federal Budget Breakdown

that may help you understand the difference between discretionary spending and mandatory spending but doubt it

You See Obama's problem was not only spending but the fact that he didn't create the promised new taxpayers with is shovel ready jobs stimulus another Obama lie that you bought.

Obama took office in January 2009, signed the stimulus in February 2009, had employment of 142 million, three years later that employment was 141 million so his claim that he saved millions of jobs only shows that the results would have been much worse with his economic plan of saving the public sector and unions
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can play that game too.

The results you claim are Obamas results, aren't Obama results.

They're great recession results.

Wow that's so easy.
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LOL, so the Obama stimulus for shovel ready jobs was fiction and didn't happen? Democrats taking over Congress in January 2007 were powerless to prevent a recession or isn't it a fact they wanted the WH more than preventing a recession knowing that people like you would continue to blame Bush?

What is easy for you is promoting fiction and making invalid claims, what is difficult for you is admitting you are wrong

The difference between the Reagan recovery and Obama recovery from severe recession is stark and yet your love affair for Obama and liberalism continues
 
Conservative said:
What is easy for you is promoting fiction and making invalid claims
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That's all you've done for 95,406 posts in your 10 and a half years here.

The Trump Results:

Downplayed, ignored and acted like a clown in the leadup to the pandemic.

Almost a Hundred Thousand Dead.

Tens of Millions Unemployed.

Trillions added to the debt.

Failed Leadership... By his own words.

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Pound4abrown said:
I agree the economy taking isn't solely on Trump. It is weighted far more on all of the Governors. But, he is still the POTUS, and all POTUS' get more credit than they may deserve and on the other end of that pendulum, they get more blame than deserved.
But to sit here and say that Trump has had no effect on the economy is just disingenuous.
Bottom line, though, is who will the public blame for it? If they choose to blame the Governors then Trump should get 4 more years.
But if they don't?
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If you look at the economy up until the virus it was humming a long pretty good.
 
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