• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump's Job Losses Will Exceed The Great Recession’s

Actually Johnson and Buchanan. So we had Buchanan, Lincoln, Johnson, a roller coaster of talent. Kind of like Bush, Obama and Trump.

The love affair you have with Obama defies logic, common sense and reality. The results don't support that affection unless of course you are one of the liberal elites benefiting from the liberal ideology
 
It's too soon to really judge his presidency in the greater scheme of things. What we can say is that he places high on the list of prolific liars with limited vocabularies. He also ranks among the most narcissistic megalomaniacs.

Agreed. But at this juncture it is pretty hard to believe he is anything but a bottom dweller in the rankings.
 
Apparently the left has a problem understanding economic results vs pandemic results along with failure to comprehend the difference between an economic collapse and economic SHUTDOWN.

Apparently the people aren't paying a lot of attention to you as evidenced by the California and Wisconsin Special elections, where was the anti Trump sentiment in those elections as both Democrats ran on anti Trump, impeachment supporting rhetoric.

There is going to come a time when you are going to have to address results and policies, when you do the following hits you right in the face

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

<snipped as I needed the characters ... then again, as I pointed out: no one cares.>


There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?


NO ONE CARES! This is all history. You are living in the past. Are you trying to build some type of argument of legitimacy based upon stuff that is no longer true? That seems futile. Its a little like arguing GW Bush kept us safe, if you ignore 9/11.

The 12% unemployed people in November will care about being unemployed, wondering if under different leadership their economic fortunes may have been better; the friends and families of the 140,000+ dead will be mourning their loved ones wondering if we had different leadership, perhaps they would still be alive. Studies similar to the one released by Columbia today will reinforce the notion that things could have been different.

Just the first of many (at least the second, actually): Lockdown Delays Cost at Least 36,000 Lives, Data Show - The New York Times

The Trump record will be about death, unemployment, negative economic growth and despair. While no one will blame Trump for the virus; they will blame him for his pathetic response to the virus. It will be hard to excuse away the fact that 5% of the population had 33% of the outbreak and 30% of the deaths. Why? While it will not matter to the cultists; it will matter to those that decide elections.
 
Last edited:

why?

was there any other reason other than a pandemic?

so an act of God caused massive unemployment....

here is where the election will be won or lost....

what happens between NOW and October?

Are a lot of those jobs recovered, and we back on the road to recovery? Or are we stuck in a recession/depression event?

If the first, Trump wins easily.....

If the second, the democrats should win the WH and maybe even the senate

so i assume you will be rooting for a really crappy economy.....right?
 
why?

was there any other reason other than a pandemic?

so an act of God caused massive unemployment....

here is where the election will be won or lost....

what happens between NOW and October?

Are a lot of those jobs recovered, and we back on the road to recovery? Or are we stuck in a recession/depression event?

If the first, Trump wins easily.....

If the second, the democrats should win the WH and maybe even the senate

so i assume you will be rooting for a really crappy economy.....right?

no i hope everything recovers, but lets be honest this has changed our lives for ever. Things will never be the same. The economy will recover. Our freedoms are gone forever because of trump.
 
no i hope everything recovers, but lets be honest this has changed our lives for ever. Things will never be the same. The economy will recover. Our freedoms are gone forever because of trump.

what freedoms are gone?

i havent lost any freedoms

i may suffer a few inconveniences right now to make sure i stay healthy, but that isnt a loss of freedom

please tell me what FREEDOMS you have lost
 
NO ONE CARES! This is all history. You are living in the past. Are you trying to build some type of argument of legitimacy based upon stuff that is no longer true? That seems futile. Its a little like arguing GW Bush kept us safe, if you ignore 9/11.

The 12% unemployed people in November will care about being unemployed, wondering if under different leadership their economic fortunes may have been better; the friends and families of the 140,000+ dead will be mourning their loved ones wondering if we had different leadership, perhaps they would still be alive. Studies similar to the one released by Columbia today will reinforce the notion that things could have been different.

Just the first of many (second actually)

Lockdown Delays Cost at Least 36,000 Lives, Data Show - The New York Times

The Trump record will be about death, unemployment, negative economic growth and despair. While no one will blame Trump for the virus; they will blame him for his pathetic response to the virus. It will be hard to excuse away the fact that 5% of the population had 33% of the outbreak and 30% of the deaths. Why? While it will not matter to the cultists; it will matter to those that decide elections.

I suggest you stop the blame game and learn the difference between an economic collapse and economic shutdown as well as the difference between economic results and pandemic results. You seem to believe that Hillary or Biden would have done better, how do you know? Not sure where you spend your time but the pubic is sick and tired of the liberal scare tactics and politics of personal destruction.

You seemed to have missed the special election results in California and Wisconsin where to pro impeachment anti Trump zealots got their clocks cleaned. Hate is what you promote, scare tactics to create more dependence and the people are tired of it. It is going to be a blood bath for Democrats in November for once you take away the freedoms from people they are hard to get back
 
why?

was there any other reason other than a pandemic?

so an act of God caused massive unemployment....

here is where the election will be won or lost....

what happens between NOW and October?

Are a lot of those jobs recovered, and we back on the road to recovery? Or are we stuck in a recession/depression event?

If the first, Trump wins easily.....

If the second, the democrats should win the WH and maybe even the senate

so i assume you will be rooting for a really crappy economy.....right?

The travel and entertainment industry, which represents 15% of our economy, will not be back for quite awhile. You can open a restaurant or concert hall, but who is going to go? You can fly an airplane for New York to LA, but who is going to sit in the seat? You can show a first run movie, but why not wait to see it at home?

Since travel is in the dumpster, Boeing will not be building airplanes, cities will not be expanding convention centers, ship builders will not be building ships, no new hotels will be built or expanded. Companies will continue to Zoom their meeting where possible, killing downtown eateries. Offices will not expand. We have laid off 39 million people. In most cases, their wealth is gone. They will be digging out, not spending. No one will be buying new cars for awhile, impacting that supply chain. ...and 39 million is before the state and local governments begin layoffs. State and local governments are 15% of the economy, with 70% of that cost payroll. We haven't even seen that impact yet.

No, there is no economy in November. This is going to take some time. The White House will be blue in January as will, likely, the Senate.

I suggest you stop the blame game and learn the difference between an economic collapse and economic shutdown as well as the difference between economic results and pandemic results. You seem to believe that Hillary or Biden would have done better, how do you know? Not sure where you spend your time but the pubic is sick and tired of the liberal scare tactics and politics of personal destruction.

You seemed to have missed the special election results in California and Wisconsin where to pro impeachment anti Trump zealots got their clocks cleaned. Hate is what you promote, scare tactics to create more dependence and the people are tired of it. It is going to be a blood bath for Democrats in November for once you take away the freedoms from people they are hard to get back

Results matter! (isn't that your line?) No one is interested in the excuses or the road map. People ain't got time for the explanation. What this do know is that Trump has delivered pathetic results. He finished his term with record infections, record death, record unemployment, and a reeling economy. All that will matter is where he is at judgement day (November).

Historically our nation makes a change when things get that bad. He was fortunate enough to have the wind at his back when he took office such that he claimed credit for economy that was already doing fine; his fortunes have apparently reversed. He will be crossing the finish line in a deep recession with record unemployment. Pity, eh? But, change is good.
 
Last edited:
what freedoms are gone?

i havent lost any freedoms

i may suffer a few inconveniences right now to make sure i stay healthy, but that isnt a loss of freedom

please tell me what FREEDOMS you have lost



I can't go to the gym. I can't get a hair cut. No more sports to watch. This is trump way of life.
 
The travel and entertainment industry, which represents 15% of our economy, will not be back for quite awhile. Since travel is in the dumpster, Boeing will not be building airplanes, cities will not be expanding convention centers, ship builders will not be building ships, no new hotels will be built or expanded. Companies will continue to Zoom their meeting where possible, killing downtown eateries. Offices will not expand. We have laid off 39 million people. In most cases, their wealth is gone. They will be digging out, not spending. ...and 39 million is before the state and local governments begin layoffs. State and local governments are 15% of the economy, with 70% of that cost payroll.

No, there is no economy in November. This is going to take some time. The White House will be blue in January as will, likely, the Senate.



Results matter. Trump has delivered pathetic results. All that will matter is where he is at judgement day (November). He was fortunate enough to have the wind at his back when he took office such that he claimed credit for economy that was already doing fine; his fortunes have apparently reversed. He will be crossing the finish line in a deep recession with record unemployment. Pity, eh?

not sure yet

since my business DEPENDS on travel....i am waiting

but i set up 11 new boarding reservations yesterday and today....the beaches opened and rentals are open on them

will air travel open up to what is was by Nov? nope....but the numbers through the TSA gates are already ticking up

Places have to open for people to have reason to travel....Vegas for example....cruises....etc

Things will take time....i dont expect miracles, i expect progress....as most people with common sense do

So you continue to hope for bread lines and depression era events....i will hope for slow steady improvements and we will see what happens
 
Results matter! (isn't that your line?) No one is interested in the excuses or the road map. People ain't got time for the explanation. What this do know is that Trump has delivered pathetic results. He finished his term with record infections, record death, record unemployment, and a reeling economy. All that will matter is where he is at judgement day (November).

Historically our nation makes a change when things get that bad. He was fortunate enough to have the wind at his back when he took office such that he claimed credit for economy that was already doing fine; his fortunes have apparently reversed. He will be crossing the finish line in a deep recession with record unemployment. Pity, eh? But, change is good.

Yes americans won't care who or what caused the recession in november. They will need to see results and so far trump has delivered poor ones.
 
This turmoil is guaranteeing a trump departure in January of 2021 and it is worth it. Since he does not care about lives lost and jobs lost then those two items will be the boosters to launch him in to oblivion come election time.
 
not sure yet

since my business DEPENDS on travel....i am waiting

but i set up 11 new boarding reservations yesterday and today....the beaches opened and rentals are open on them

will air travel open up to what is was by Nov? nope....but the numbers through the TSA gates are already ticking up

Places have to open for people to have reason to travel....Vegas for example....cruises....etc

Things will take time....i dont expect miracles, i expect progress....as most people with common sense do

So you continue to hope for bread lines and depression era events....i will hope for slow steady improvements and we will see what happens

I didn't say NO travel.... but our economy took a HUGE hit, particularly in travel and entertainment, and soon in state and local governments.

Boeing is laying off 16,000 people because they see a long term problem. Boeing, Expecting a Long Slump, Will Cut 16,000 Jobs - The New York Times

While the CARES act is propping up airline employees to September 30, most airlines anticipate huge cut backs... United Airlines To Workers: Expect Layoffs After Bailout Restrictions End

Yes, places will open up, but some percentage of the population (double digit) will simply not go.

Cruise lines are offering $50 per day cruises in August. I don't know what the take up on that is, but .... well, its not a healthy offer, its likely just enough to contribute a little to overhead.
Cruises & Cruise Deals | Plan Your Cruise Vacation | NCL

of course, no one is building ships: Cruise Shipbuilder Meyer Turku Announces Layoffs

Las Vegas is learning from Macao that the "bounce back" is not much of a bounce: Las Vegas casinos can learn about reopening from Macao | Las Vegas Review-Journal

...and these layoffs, similar to the government workers, are not even in the unemployment numbers yet. Our unemployment for May will be north of 20%. You don't just "snap out" of that.

...and, we are not even into this yet. As far as the recession goes, we are at the stage where we ran up a big credit card bill, but the bill has yet to arrive in the mail.
 
Last edited:
The president will be held responsible in comparison to best practices. To the extent New Zealand, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Germany had infection, death, job loss and economic contraction, we can attribute that to the virus. To the extent that any of that was worse in the US, we can attribute to the White House. The White House will be accountable to the extent the poor results are attributable to the mismanagement of the response to the crisis. And, there most certainly was mismanagement. Those comparisons will be made and turned into 30 and 60 second spots, that will be damning.

But in the end, to quote James Carville, "its the economy, stupid". If we are still reeling in November, and we will be, those effected by all of this (out of a job or missing a loved one) will not be voting for Trump.

More people have died than won him the electoral college...
 
His presidency will possibly be a contender for a bottom five slot, as well.

According to 200 presidential scholars he is already the worst in history, and that was before the trump virus...
 
According to 200 presidential scholars he is already the worst in history, and that was before the trump virus...

well, i suppose in another hundred years, he might win over the rest of them.
 
Trump's Job Losses Will Exceed The Great Recession’s

the trump depression will probably go down as the worst in US history.

That is why the democrats are being accused of stalling opening up their states. The democrats and China hope the blowback is strong enough to defeat Trump. Sending a pandemic to your biggest customer to push them into recession, knowing the opposing political party will not push back on you is a genius move. The read the "resistance by any means" correctly.
 
The travel and entertainment industry, which represents 15% of our economy, will not be back for quite awhile. You can open a restaurant or concert hall, but who is going to go? You can fly an airplane for New York to LA, but who is going to sit in the seat? You can show a first run movie, but why not wait to see it at home?

Since travel is in the dumpster, Boeing will not be building airplanes, cities will not be expanding convention centers, ship builders will not be building ships, no new hotels will be built or expanded. Companies will continue to Zoom their meeting where possible, killing downtown eateries. Offices will not expand. We have laid off 39 million people. In most cases, their wealth is gone. They will be digging out, not spending. No one will be buying new cars for awhile, impacting that supply chain. ...and 39 million is before the state and local governments begin layoffs. State and local governments are 15% of the economy, with 70% of that cost payroll. We haven't even seen that impact yet.

No, there is no economy in November. This is going to take some time. The White House will be blue in January as will, likely, the Senate.



Results matter! (isn't that your line?) No one is interested in the excuses or the road map. People ain't got time for the explanation. What this do know is that Trump has delivered pathetic results. He finished his term with record infections, record death, record unemployment, and a reeling economy. All that will matter is where he is at judgement day (November).

Historically our nation makes a change when things get that bad. He was fortunate enough to have the wind at his back when he took office such that he claimed credit for economy that was already doing fine; his fortunes have apparently reversed. He will be crossing the finish line in a deep recession with record unemployment. Pity, eh? But, change is good.
I am not making any excuses for the pandemic economic results and unlike you that is ignoring the pre pandemic results.

Tell me why liberal economic policies are the answer? Isn't it time to start talking about economic policies versus placing blame?

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
 
Hmm, maybe we shouldn't treat the presidency as a reality show that any dim-witted gameshow host can do. As many feared, Trump is shaping up to be historically, catastrophically bad.
You are really working hard to re establish a liberal focused president in the White House, why? Do you understand even basic civics? Your expectations and the president ignore the response of Governors and state officials, wby?

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
 
That is why the democrats are being accused of stalling opening up their states. The democrats and China hope the blowback is strong enough to defeat Trump. Sending a pandemic to your biggest customer to push them into recession, knowing the opposing political party will not push back on you is a genius move. The read the "resistance by any means" correctly.

0e5ff5e426ee4541a52041e1f1a6012d.png


Maybe being led by a moron isn't working.
 
You mean the job losses caused by Gov's shutting down their economies and forcing people to stay home and not work.
you mean those job losses?

not sure how trump is responsible for that.
but this is why the left depends on low information voters.

Trump takes the credit for the good things that happened in the first three years - he has to take the bad with it. Over 93,000 dead and climbing ever higher ..... over 40 million out of work. And it all happened on Trumps watch. And it is an election year.
 
Trump takes the credit for the good things that happened in the first three years - he has to take the bad with it. Over 93,000 dead and climbing ever higher ..... over 40 million out of work. And it all happened on Trumps watch. And it is an election year.

I'm glad that liberals don't blame Trump for all the abortions that happened on his watch.
 
Back
Top Bottom