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Trump's Job Losses Will Exceed The Great Recession’s

ludin said:
You mean the job losses caused by Gov's shutting down their economies and forcing people to stay home and not work.
you mean those job losses?

not sure how trump is responsible for that.
but this is why the left depends on low information voters.
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Is there anything that your messiah is responsible for ?
 
ludin said:
You mean the job losses caused by Gov's shutting down their economies and forcing people to stay home and not work.
you mean those job losses?

not sure how trump is responsible for that.
but this is why the left depends on low information voters.
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The president will be held responsible in comparison to best practices. To the extent New Zealand, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Germany had infection, death, job loss and economic contraction, we can attribute that to the virus. To the extent that any of that was worse in the US, we can attribute to the White House. The White House will be accountable to the extent the poor results are attributable to the mismanagement of the response to the crisis. And, there most certainly was mismanagement. Those comparisons will be made and turned into 30 and 60 second spots, that will be damning.

But in the end, to quote James Carville, "its the economy, stupid". If we are still reeling in November, and we will be, those effected by all of this (out of a job or missing a loved one) will not be voting for Trump.
 
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99percenter said:
Is there anything that your messiah is responsible for ?
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YOu tell me how he is responsible or Gov's shutting down their states and ordering people to stay home and not work.
let me know when you can actually respond with some kind of logical answer that makes sense.
 
upsideguy said:
The president will be held responsible in comparison to best practices. To the extent New Zealand, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Germany had infection, death, job loss and economic contraction, we can attribute that to the virus. To the extent that any of that was worse in the US, we can attribute to the White House.
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Sorry that logic doesn't follow.
He has no control over cuomo ordering nursing homes to take covid 19 patients.
that is outside trumps control.

Also this is a non-sequitur.

you need to read the topic.

The reason for the job losses is because the Gov's of states shut down their economies and ordered people home.
Please show us how that is trumps fault or that he has any blame in that?

we know you can't so just admit it.
 
ludin said:
Sorry that logic doesn't follow.
He has no control over cuomo ordering nursing homes to take covid 19 patients.
that is outside trumps control.

Also this is a non-sequitur.

you need to read the topic.

The reason for the job losses is because the Gov's of states shut down their economies and ordered people home.
Please show us how that is trumps fault or that he has any blame in that?

we know you can't so just admit it.
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19 people out of 95,000 is not argument. Most people think Cuomo handled this brilliantly (not perfectly) while Trump ran away from the problem. Cuomo is not on the ballot; Trump is.

Fauci, Cuomo most trusted; Trump, Kushner least trusted on coronavirus - Business Insider

It is the fundamental job of the President to keep us safe and coordinate the response to threats to US citizens. He abdicated that responsibility and will be held accountable for the result. I think the Britian's prestigious journal of medicine, the Lancet, says it well: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31140-5/fulltext

..but, if you want I have 100 experts that have written editorials on Trump's mismanagement of this. Do you want to see them? No, not necessary, they also will be made into 30 to 60 second spots.

Trump may have tried to run from this in February, March, April and May, but its going to catch up with him in September, October and, of course, November. Even he knows he is over his head, which is why he is trying to run from it.

Trump did not keep Americans safe. Will he keep us safe from the second wave, which may be hitting right around election time?

Jack Fabulous said:
Job losses due to coronavirus?
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The Corona virus will be responsible for SOME of the job loss; the response (or lack thereof) will be responsible for SOME of the job loss, with the latter responsible for much of the sustained job loss. This crisis has called for leadership. Did leadership answer that call?
 
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Oblama wasn't responsible for the job loses either yet he tried to have some plan besides look at me I'm running for reelection.
 
upsideguy said:
19 people out of 95,000 is not argument. Most people think Cuomo handled this brilliantly (not perfectly) while Trump ran away from the problem. Cuomo is not on the ballot; Trump is.

It is the fundamental job of the President to keep us safe and coordinate the response to threats to US citizens. He abdicated that responsibility and will be held accountable for the result. I think the Britian's prestigious journal of medicine, the Lancet, says it well: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31140-5/fulltext

..but, if you want I have 100 experts that have written editorials on Trump's mismanagement of this. Do you want to see them? No, not necessary, they also will be made into 30 to 60 second spots.

Trump may have tried to run from this in February, March, April and May, but its going to catch up with him in September, October and, of course, November. Even he knows he is over his head, which is why he is trying to run from it.

Trump did not keep Americans safe.
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facts state otherwise. all i can say to illogical nonsense for this type of stuff.
 
ludin said:
facts state otherwise. all i can say to illogical nonsense for this type of stuff.
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What facts state otherwise? You have an argument with facts, let's see them. Or, is that a hollow statement on your part? The "fact" is you really can't defend Trump's pathetic performance here, so that is all ya got. We all see through it.

That said, facts are not usually the foundation for an assessment of one's management. Its usually expert opinion, which overwhelmingly says Trump screwed this up.
 
upsideguy said:
He is already there. In the two such polls of political scientists, he ranked 42 and 44 (out of 44), and that was before he screwed this up.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia
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Apparently the left has a problem understanding economic results vs pandemic results along with failure to comprehend the difference between an economic collapse and economic SHUTDOWN.

Apparently the people aren't paying a lot of attention to you as evidenced by the California and Wisconsin Special elections, where was the anti Trump sentiment in those elections as both Democrats ran on anti Trump, impeachment supporting rhetoric.

There is going to come a time when you are going to have to address results and policies, when you do the following hits you right in the face

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
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Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

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U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
 
ludin said:
facts state otherwise. all i can say to illogical nonsense for this type of stuff.
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Here is a analogy: if the United States was a ship, then trump would be the captain. As captain, the responsibilities and obligations of leadership weigh the heaviest. The crew and officers have their assigned tasks and official responsibilities, but they all answer to and depend on the leadership of a captain.

This is why captains who abandon ship before everyone else are considered to be committing dereliction of duty.

To put it simply: trump was asleep at the wheel
 
upsideguy said:
What facts state otherwise? You have an argument with facts, let's see them. Or, is that a hollow statement on your part? The "fact" is you really can't defend Trump's pathetic performance here, so that is all ya got. We all see through it.

That said, facts are not usually the foundation for an assessment of one's management. Its usually expert opinion, which overwhelmingly says Trump screwed this up.
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I mentioned in my first post. This thread is about the job losses under trump.
What was failed to mention is that all of the job losses occured not due to any policy that trump issued or set.
in fact under trump we have had a lot of job growth, salaries have been going up and there was a good demand for workers.

What has caused the recent job losses are the fact that Gov's around the country shut their economies down.
SO unlike what most leftist believe companies need revenue and profit to operate. this requires people working.
With most if not all businesses shut down and people not able to work businesses were forced to let them go or furlough them.

These are all facts.

The job losses that have occurred are on the Gov's of the states not the president. He has no control over them shutting down their economies.
they are slowly opening back up but it is going to take a while for things to get back to full speed.

Trump was shutting down travel while leftist were screeching that it was xenophobic.
your so called experts are well morons.

actually trump did pretty well given that he had people working against him.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Here is a analogy: if the United States was a ship, then trump would be the captain. As captain, the responsibilities and obligations of leadership weigh the heaviest. The crew and officers have their assigned tasks and official responsibilities, but they all answer to and depend on the leadership of a captain.

This is why captains who abandon ship before everyone else are considered to be committing dereliction of duty.

To put it simply: trump was asleep at the wheel
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your analogy is meaningless and is dismissed.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Let me guess: James Buchanan and William Henry Harrison are at the bottom?
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Actually Johnson and Buchanan. So we had Buchanan, Lincoln, Johnson, a roller coaster of talent. Kind of like Bush, Obama and Trump.
 
ludin said:
I mentioned in my first post. This thread is about the job losses under trump.
What was failed to mention is that all of the job losses occured not due to any policy that trump issued or set.
in fact under trump we have had a lot of job growth, salaries have been going up and there was a good demand for workers.

What has caused the recent job losses are the fact that Gov's around the country shut their economies down.
SO unlike what most leftist believe companies need revenue and profit to operate. this requires people working.
With most if not all businesses shut down and people not able to work businesses were forced to let them go or furlough them.

These are all facts.

The job losses that have occurred are on the Gov's of the states not the president. He has no control over them shutting down their economies.
they are slowly opening back up but it is going to take a while for things to get back to full speed.

Trump was shutting down travel while leftist were screeching that it was xenophobic.
your so called experts are well morons.

actually trump did pretty well given that he had people working against him.
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Sorry, you can't blame the governors for stepping in and filling the leadership void left by the guy that was suppose to be the starting QB but ran from the responsibility because he want to play back up. The voters are not going to forgive him for it. You might, as will members of his cult, but the voters that matter, the swing voters will not.

The job loss is a result of the virus; the permanence / longevity of the loss and the pain felt by those that lost the jobs will be the result of the government (led by the POTUS) response. While I am certain there will be some governors that have been perceived to have fumbled the ball on the ballot in November; the guy that was suppose to be the starting QB most certain is ---- and most certainly will be a WAS.
 
Conservative said:
Apparently the left has a problem understanding economic results vs pandemic results along with failure to comprehend the difference between an economic collapse and economic SHUTDOWN.

Apparently the people aren't paying a lot of attention to you as evidenced by the California and Wisconsin Special elections, where was the anti Trump sentiment in those elections as both Democrats ran on anti Trump, impeachment supporting rhetoric.

There is going to come a time when you are going to have to address results and policies, when you do the following hits you right in the face

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
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Two conservative districts won by republicans isn't an indicator of anything.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Here is a analogy: if the United States was a ship, then trump would be the captain. As captain, the responsibilities and obligations of leadership weigh the heaviest. The crew and officers have their assigned tasks and official responsibilities, but they all answer to and depend on the leadership of a captain.

This is why captains who abandon ship before everyone else are considered to be committing dereliction of duty.

To put it simply: trump was asleep at the wheel
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Did you ever take a civics class and read the Constitution? You think the people in CA listen to Trump? You put it typical of a liberal response totally out of touch with reality

Here we are in the middle of a pandemic and all you can do is place blame, that is politics of personal destruction. Your party lost the special election in California and Wisconsin because of the personal attacks from people like you, keep it up
 
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