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November 3rd will decide, are we a Proactive nation, or a Reactive nation?

gdgyva said:
of course it can

that money becomes debt....

that debt causes additional pressure on income/expenses on an annual basis

right now our debt load is approx 7%....after all of this....who knows

just how much of our tax base do you think can go to just servicing debt?
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I've heard that the government can always pays its debts. It can create as much money as it wishes.
 
gdgyva said:
what is included in that bare bottom safety net seems to be the issue
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Not really. It was very clearly laid out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948.

i used to think there is only so much money....right now, with the way they are spending, who knows

and i dont care if you tax the rich 90%...you cant pay for everything the left wants
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This COVID situation is exceptional, I agree. But generally speaking, every developed OECD economy in the world today protects these rights for its citizens- in some form or other. The US is, by far, the richest among them. So if they can do it, I am not sure why it should be such a problem here. It's not a matter of reinventing the wheel and trying to figure out how to do it. It's being done already by everybody. Has been for a long time now.



and we havent even started talking about the two gorillas lurking in the corner of the room....that will HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH

everyone keeps kicking the can down the road....but we keep living longer....and the numbers keep getting worse
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Countries whose populations don't have to deal with basic survival in a jungle type situations tend to do better economically as well. The latest example was Thailand: as soon as they adapted a system of Universal Healthcare recently, not only did their public health improve dramatically but so did their economy. Why? It seems it's because entire families were going broke trying to pay for an uninsured loved one with catastrophic illness. Grandkids were dropping out of school to work, people were selling their houses and ending up on the street, etc...

What Thailand can teach the world about universal healthcare | Health revolution | The Guardian

Interestingly, unexpected catastrophic illness in uninsured individuals was also the #1 cause of declarations of bankruptcy in this country as well, before the ACA.
 
ataraxia said:
Not really. It was very clearly laid out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights back in 1948.



This COVID situation is exceptional, I agree. But generally speaking, every developed OECD economy in the world today protects these rights for its citizens- in some form or other. The US is, by far, the richest among them. So if they can do it, I am not sure why it should be such a problem here. It's not a matter of reinventing the wheel and trying to figure out how to do it. It's being done already by everybody. Has been for a long time now.





Countries whose populations don't have to deal with basic survival in a jungle type situations tend to do better economically as well. The latest example was Thailand: as soon as they adapted a system of Universal Healthcare recently, not only did their public health improve dramatically but so did their economy. Why? It seems it's because entire families were going broke trying to pay for an uninsured loved one with catastrophic illness. Grandkids were dropping out of school to work, people were selling their houses and ending up on the street, etc...

What Thailand can teach the world about universal healthcare | Health revolution | The Guardian

Interestingly, unexpected catastrophic illness in uninsured individuals was also the #1 cause of declarations of bankruptcy in this country as well, before the ACA.
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i get it...i also get that we have over 2 million people employed in the insurance business....

ripping that apart will cause a lot of issues....

others LIKE their insurance, and their systems....they dont want to go onto the same system as Canada where you wait 6 months for a basic procedure

it is going to be a MAJOR fight thru lobbyists and congress to get it changed....millions oppose it

and government hasnt exactly done a bangup job with medicaid/medicare
 
gdgyva said:
i get it...i also get that we have over 2 million people employed in the insurance business....

ripping that apart will cause a lot of issues....

others LIKE their insurance, and their systems....they dont want to go onto the same system as Canada where you wait 6 months for a basic procedure

it is going to be a MAJOR fight thru lobbyists and congress to get it changed....millions oppose it
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I understand, and I agree. It won't be easy. But it IS doable because just about everyone else has managed to do it. We shouldn't just give up and shrug our shoulders at the continuing gut-wrenching human rights travesties in our nation. You may not have worked in a healthcare setting. I have. I know what happens when good people die of easily treatable diseases, go blind, have to live with chronic pain, etc... for no reason other than they just happened to hit hard times just when they also happened to get sick. It happens a lot more than you think. It's tragic and it should not happen in a modern developed nation.

I am even OK with a health system similar to parallel to the private/public school system for education we have in this country. If you have the money to send your kid to some fancy shmancy elite private college-prep ivy-league-feeding boarding school, then knock yourself out. But a basic education is another one of those basic human rights. There has to be a bare bottom safety net for it or society goes to pot. Yes I know the public school system has problems. But it sure beats what we had in the pre-civil war era with education only for the elite. I am even OK with charter schools if they prove to work better than what we have now. But that is still a publicly funded safety net. This is not Soviet-style communism we are talking about here. Even Thomas Jefferson thought it was a good idea:

"“Preach, my dear sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish and improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know, that the people alone can protect us against these evils [of tyranny currently in France], and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose; is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests, and nobles, who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.”
- Thomas Jefferson

and government hasnt exactly done a bangup job with medicaid/medicare
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Medicare has been more efficient and controlled costs better than private insurance.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20110920.013390/full/
 
Wry Catcher said:
General Elections impact the nation, in recent decades this means the difference of a Fiscally Responsible policies when the Democrats are in power, and Fiscal Conservatism policies (trickle down) when the Republicans are in power.

Consider why we are today in such a serious recession now, it is because Joe the Plumber, that is the vast numbers of working men and women, are not out shopping, buying and working in jobs which keep dollars circulating across their communities. Their impact allows for profits and allows entrepreneurs the ability to profit, expand and hiring more and buying more from corporations; unfortunately the Tax "Reform" written by Ryan and signed by trump is a fraud, because 1/3 of the tax relief goes to the working men and women for 10 years and then sunsets, and 2/3 of the not needed relief without any strings on how it is spent comes with no sunset in sight.[/FONT]

BTW, Corporations are not people, they do not get a virus, suffer and some die. Corporations which do not adjust to changing circumstances do go out of business, and we can see how the major oil companies have invested in green and renewable energy, and Automobile Corporations are investing in Electric and other vehicle operating systems. The Republican Party is in a reactionary state, and the Democratic Party is progressive; R's react, and D's are proactive. It is really that simple.
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What did you copy and paste this from? Do you have any thoughts of your own?

The Democrats are not proactive about C-19 and restarting the economy, mostly the opposite. That will be an issue in the fall election.
 
Jay59 said:
What did you copy and paste this from? Do you have any thoughts of your own?

The Democrats are not proactive about C-19 and restarting the economy, mostly the opposite. That will be an issue in the fall election.
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Go suck a sour apple, whole.
 
Huh, well so much for the last several thousand years of human law, order, justice, and civilization
 
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