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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Religious people can donate their $1200 to the churches of their choice. I do not see a good reason for the government to issue checks to churches directly.

    I do agree that any church employee who filed a 2018 or 2019 return which qualifies them to receive the $1200 everyone else is getting should also be issued a check, however. Ditto joint account people who have stay at home wives who volunteer receiving $2400.
    Should all non-profits not be eligible for small-business relief under the CARES act, or just churches? Maybe anyone laid off from a local Planned Parenthood office can donate his $1200 to keep the doors open too.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    I guess you have a point. Give them the charity they don't give to others, maybe they will connect the dots and realize they are being supported because they are supposed to be charities not money machines.
    The CARES act is not charity.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    The CARES act is not charity.
    It sure as hell is, the charity of a federal government for its people. But conservatives only think charity is related to religion it seems, when the government does it it's communism or socialism. Funny how they all turned into communists overnight.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

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    And here I was hoping that organized religion would be one of the things that was wiped out by the virus...
    It might yet.

    Easter looming, Kansas Republican leaders on Wednesday revoked Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly’s order limiting religious gatherings to 10 people as the state’s coronavirus death toll jumped 40 percent.

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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    It sure as hell is, the charity of a federal government for its people. But conservatives only think charity is related to religion it seems, when the government does it it's communism or socialism. Funny how they all turned into communists overnight.
    It's not charity. No government spending is charity. Calling it charity doesn't make it so.

    Liberals think the government is a rich uncle who just hands out bags of cash. But the uncle isn't giving you his own money. He's robbing from Peter to give it to Paul.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Wow! So much for that old separation of church and state thing.

    Economic Relief For Churches Raises Debate Over Church-State Separation : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR



    This is a really really bad idea.
    We get it. You hate religion and do not want churches to have access to the same resources that other organizations do.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    Who is taking your right to attend magic shows on Sunday under normal conditions? No one. But magic shows that go against public policy in terms of COVID should be banned until further notice or done entirely online. As for paying magicians for their work as if they were part of the real work force, I am against it. Get a real job. Churches make money, untaxed money, with no duty to do any charity at all, nothing, zip, nada. Why is hosting a magic show considered charity?
    I was at Walmart the other day, they were taking zero precautions to protect the public. No wipe carts, nothing! Kroger on the otherhand was at least wiping carts, and queuing customers. Things are inconsistent, but let's shutdown all religious services because social distancing..........not forced to be practiced elsewhere.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I was at Walmart the other day, they were taking zero precautions to protect the public. No wipe carts, nothing! Kroger on the otherhand was at least wiping carts, and queuing customers. Things are inconsistent, but let's shutdown all religious services because social distancing..........not forced to be practiced elsewhere.
    Sure, just because Walmart is being careless lets allow a few hundred people to share some pews and watch magic shows because watching magicians is as critical as buying food. Got it.
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    Sure, just because Walmart is being careless lets allow a few hundred people to share some pews and watch magic shows because watching magicians is as critical as buying food. Got it.
    You know damn well it's more than Walmart. OMG, are you really that obtuse?
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    Re: Government Will Help Churches Pay Pastor Salaries

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....No, I am pointing out that you have made a false assumption. Small Business Loans to keep people on payroll are available to all organizations, regardless of their religious association. It is not - as you were tee'd up to assume from the NPR piece - specific to Christians.

    NPR chose to focus in on the eeeeevil Christians because that's what triggers it. Culturally, they'd be fine with (for example) keeping people on the books of a Muslim charity organization.
    well the muslim charity organization is being diverse and tolerant
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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