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We Pay The Bills We Make The Rules

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All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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So what changes do you propose?
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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Ok...but you see, we elect the people who oversee the government via the Executive and Legislative branches. We elect them, in theory, to act in the interests of the taxpayer. That is....the whole point to our form of government.

If we don't approve the job they are doing; we vote them out and someone else in. In the end, though, if we continue to elect the same type of people in who are screwing up time after time after time...then is it really the government that is screwing up...or is it the people?

That is the current system. Do you have a better idea? Let us know.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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I would challenge you and say this option is already available -- it's called voting.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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Really? Not in the families I know. Which century are you referring to?
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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We do. It's called the government, and we elect EVERY one of OUR Representatives to make those decisions.
 
smallvoice said:
We do. It's called the government, and we elect EVERY one of OUR Representatives to make those decisions.
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Exactly correct. Unfortunately, voting has consequences when it's constituents are low-informed voters and/or radically lean one direction.
 
mike2810 said:
So what changes do you propose?
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Well for one thing I would like to see national reciprocity for carry permits. I pay the bills so I should be able to get that.
 
Lursa said:
Really? Not in the families I know. Which century are you referring to?
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You've got a point there, in some modern day households its the wife and mother who makes the majority of the income, but my point is this, a husband and wife, a mom and dad will often say "my house my rules," its their house, they pay the bills, so they make the rules. To make the analogy where you substitute country for house we could say that the USA is my country and that I should make the rules in this country, after all, I pay the bills.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You've got a point there, in some modern day households its the wife and mother who makes the majority of the income, but my point is this, a husband and wife, a mom and dad will often say "my house my rules," its their house, they pay the bills, so they make the rules. To make the analogy where you substitute country for house we could say that the USA is my country and that I should make the rules in this country, after all, I pay the bills.
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Or...both work and both make decisions together. Relationships where one persons says 'my house, my rules' to their partner generally dont work well. It esp. ignores the contributions the other person makes, even if they arent directly economic. Authoritarian relationships dont have a good track record here in America and that's why respecting women as equals is so important.
 
Lursa said:
Or...both work and both make decisions together. Relationships where one persons says 'my house, my rules' to their partner generally dont work well. It esp. ignores the contributions the other person makes, even if they arent directly economic. Authoritarian relationships dont have a good track record here in America and that's why respecting women as equals is so important.
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Some people would say whoever makes the most money should have the most say in what the rules are which can sometimes be the wife as there are wives that make more than their husbands. You talk about respecting women as equals, fair enough but that has nothing to do with what Im saying. The point is I pay the bills in this country so I should make the rules in this country.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Some people would say whoever makes the most money should have the most say in what the rules are which can sometimes be the wife as there are wives that make more than their husbands. You talk about respecting women as equals, fair enough but that has nothing to do with what Im saying. The point is I pay the bills in this country so I should make the rules in this country.
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Who would say that? Only people that dont value the work others do that they dont get paid for.

And I'd say the same if it was a stay-at-home husband, which I respect very much.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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The government owns the money so therefore you should sit back and let them make the rules.
 
Lursa said:
Who would say that? Only people that dont value the work others do that they dont get paid for.
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The people in bold above, that's who would say that, not that I agree with them.

Lursa said:
And I'd say the same if it was a stay-at-home husband, which I respect very much.
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Good for you, but you're missing the point.
 
DebateChallenge said:
The people in bold above, that's who would say that, not that I agree with them.

Good for you, but you're missing the point.
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So then you dont believe that what partners taking care of home and family do is as valuable as jobs where you are paid 'directly.' That's sad and not realistic IMO. The value of labor is not all in $$.

The person paying the bills couldnt necessarily do so without the support of the partner. There would be child care, and their time would have to be spent more in cleaning, cooking, maint, etc. Again...if they put a $ amount on those things, they'd see that the other person proportionally helped pay those bills.
 
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Lursa said:
So then you dont believe that what partners taking care of home and family do is as valuable as jobs where you are paid 'directly.' That's sad and not realistic IMO. The value of labor is not all in $$.
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I never said that's what I personally believe, where did you get that notion?

Lursa said:
The person paying the bills couldnt necessarily do so without the support of the partner. There would be child care, and their time would have to be spent more in cleaning, cooking, maint, etc. Again...if they put a $ amount on those things, they'd see that the other person proportionally helped pay those bills.
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You got a point there but I never said I didn't agree with you on that.

And again, you're getting off the point of the thread.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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I believe power is derived from vagina.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well for one thing I would like to see national reciprocity for carry permits. I pay the bills so I should be able to get that.
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So would you eliminate the local and state governments entirely, or just remove their ability to enact policy that conflicts with your opinions?
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules. Well that's how it is in the USA, we the people, the common American citizens, we pay the bills, they're called taxes. Therefore we should make the rules in this country not the government.
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Well if that is your argument, then only California, New York, Texas, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Washington, and Virginia should be making the rules as they are paying all the bills.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You've got a point there, in some modern day households its the wife and mother who makes the majority of the income, but my point is this, a husband and wife, a mom and dad will often say "my house my rules," its their house, they pay the bills, so they make the rules. To make the analogy where you substitute country for house we could say that the USA is my country and that I should make the rules in this country, after all, I pay the bills.
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So you personally want to make the rules for all of us? Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
 
Being one tax payer is a tiny blade of grass in a great big field. Not hardly one who "pays the bills".
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often in family households its the husband and father who declares that since he pays the bills he makes the rules.
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And all too often they wind up alone and bitter, and have no clue why their wives left them. :lol:
 
DebateChallenge said:
You've got a point there, in some modern day households its the wife and mother who makes the majority of the income, but my point is this, a husband and wife, a mom and dad will often say "my house my rules," its their house, they pay the bills, so they make the rules. To make the analogy where you substitute country for house we could say that the USA is my country and that I should make the rules in this country, after all, I pay the bills.
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Screw you and your rules.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well for one thing I would like to see national reciprocity for carry permits. I pay the bills so I should be able to get that.
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I'm paying the damn bills and you shouldn't, in my opinion, be able to have anything more dangerous than a nerf soccer ball.
 
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