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Corvid-19: All the shutdowns are useless if your not gonna close the schools....

Virtually every plague back to the black plague in the 1300s originated in China, other than yellow fever that probably originated in Africa.

Pandemics come from the movement of people. But so what? All that matters is saving 9 cents on a roll of tape by foreign child slave labor.
 
Virtually every plague back to the black plague in the 1300s originated in China, other than yellow fever that probably originated in Africa.

Pandemics come from the movement of people. But so what? All that matters is saving 9 cents on a roll of tape by foreign child slave labor.

A) trade is not what spreads illness.. Travel does..

You can import zero trade goods and it isn’t stopping this... plus it takes a global economy to power the modern world..

Diamonds from Africa, copper from main, phosphorus from Italy, exc...



B) I also wonder what it is about that region that spawns super bugs.


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About an hour ago I saw two kids on bicycles dash by racing each other, each with a fishing pole. In the panic idiot claims of the covid-19 terrified, I probably had an ethical duty quick shoot both of them to stop them continuing on their mass murderous path certain to ultimately kill thousands upon thousands of old folks self locked up in their homes.

/// I probably had an ethical duty ( to) quick shoot both of them....... ( children ) /// :shock::shock :screwy:screwy One of the most demented posts ever at DP.
 
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Yeah. Do you think I find the idea attractive?

But whether we do or not, we will not reach herd immunity by infection alone, ie, without vaccines.

After that, it just comes down to what you value.

So you value 30% unemployment and a global depression? How many deaths do you think that will cause?
 
So you value 30% unemployment and a global depression? How many deaths do you think that will cause?

How many do YOU think it will cause ?
 
How many do YOU think it will cause ?

How did the last one turn out? Plus, the virus isnt going anywhere so we will have a depression and the death from the virus.
 
How did the last one turn out? Plus, the virus isnt going anywhere so we will have a depression and the death from the virus.

Answering a question by asking a question is not answering the question, FYI.
 
Answering a question by asking a question is not answering the question, FYI.

Im trying to get you to think for yourself. You could literally be the first liberal on DP to do that.
 
Im trying to get you to think for yourself. You could literally be the first liberal on DP to do that.
No one can think about your "point" ....because you have not answered your own question. How many deaths did the last recession cause? Show your work.

Further, the idea that you are concerned about excess deaths flies in the face of your defense of Rush who is arguing not to trust health experts.
 
So you value 30% unemployment and a global depression? How many deaths do you think that will cause?

Again. Not the point.

Either we open up again, and take our chances, or shut down. But don't pretend that opening up will grant herd immunity. Unless you are planning on having 96% of the population catch it in a few months.
 
Sorry, but a lot of us are not going to live in fear. We already have high death rates thanks to people texting and driving, falling down steps, obesity, alcohol, and drugs just to name a few.

Yeah, there's a word for you: Plague vector.

Like those kids at spring break.
 
/// I probably had an ethical duty ( to) quick shoot both of them....... ( children ) /// :shock::shock :screwy:screwy One of the most demented posts ever at DP.

sarcasm-it is what is for lunch today
 
Yeah, there's a word for you: Plague vector.

Like those kids at spring break.

You can cower in some hole. I think I will try and find those kids and live life to its fullest.
 
You can cower in some hole. I think I will try and find those kids and live life to its fullest.

They won't mind if you kill their grannies. They're trying to do that already.
 
No one can think about your "point" ....because you have not answered your own question. How many deaths did the last recession cause? Show your work.

Further, the idea that you are concerned about excess deaths flies in the face of your defense of Rush who is arguing not to trust health experts.

Ive never claimed a recession caused any deaths. Why do you lie about what I say in every thread?
 
Again. Not the point.

Either we open up again, and take our chances, or shut down. But don't pretend that opening up will grant herd immunity. Unless you are planning on having 96% of the population catch it in a few months.

It is the point and I didnt mention 'herd immunity.' What do you think the unemployment rate will be if we remain shut down for another 2 weeks, let alone another 12 months waiting for a cure?
 
It is the point and I didnt mention 'herd immunity.' What do you think the unemployment rate will be if we remain shut down for another 2 weeks, let alone another 12 months waiting for a cure?

Oh, I'm on board with that. Losing the entire economy ALSO means losing the capability to fight the pandemic. I was mostly objecting to the idea that allowing the disease to run its course would somehow grant herd immunity (which TD had said would be the case.)

It's a tough decision, but that decision making isn't helped with egregiously wrong information.
 
At a minimum, social distancing will be the new normal.

No way, the human race is social, so "distancing" will eventually kill us because it will make us even less compassionate and caring than we already are anyway. So some kind of scientific solution like a vaccine is imperative.

If we don't figure out how to develop one, then yes...we will eventually wind up with a world that is a lot more cruel to the infirm and vulnerable, but in the process of becoming such a race, we will lose the ability to care about the value of life itself.

And that will set off a series of social miscues and missteps that will spell our global demise a lot faster than the virus ever could.
Strangers maintain a natural distance but humans live socially, and it is not possible to change that to such an extent.
 
Oh, I'm on board with that. Losing the entire economy ALSO means losing the capability to fight the pandemic. I was mostly objecting to the idea that allowing the disease to run its course would somehow grant herd immunity (which TD had said would be the case.)

It's a tough decision, but that decision making isn't helped with egregiously wrong information.

Alright. Then I dont think we disagree all that much. At some point--soon--these non-essential businesses have to reopen. Or many never will.
 
A) trade is not what spreads illness.. Travel does..

You can import zero trade goods and it isn’t stopping this... plus it takes a global economy to power the modern world..

Diamonds from Africa, copper from main, phosphorus from Italy, exc...



B) I also wonder what it is about that region that spawns super bugs.


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1. Wet markets where they congregation animals from all over the world, stacking them in small cages piled on top of each other - species that were never together before - causing the evolution of viruses that cross between them and humans. The bleed, urinate and defecate on all below them. Mixing species from around the world - that carry diseases that can pass to humans and maximized the evolution of new deadly diseases and viruses. This spreading disease across the world continuously has been known for over a decade - and exactly nothing is done about. I started a thread about this - no one cares.
As a comment, the savagery of those wet markets is beyond imagination. For example, the tie off and then chop off the legs of living dogs and other animals as they can be more compactly stored that way.

2. China turns a blind eye to their bio-lab employees selling dead lab animals to the wet markets - where with the other animals they are sold and usually butchered and even cooked on the spot with no sanitary rules whatsoever. Any virus in a Chinese lab or created in a Chinese lab will ultimately travel across the world.

Both those practices are very desirable to the Chinese government, because who is most vulnerable are the non-productive elderly. China has an overwhelming elderly population due to years and years of an enforced "one child" law (ie forced abortions) - for which most wanted a male child. Thus, N. Korea is China's source of women and brides. In communism, it is everyone's duty to produce for society. Non-productive people should be eliminated in communist theory of the collective hive. The elderly don't produce but only consume, so they need to be eliminated.

Why would China care of spreading this to the rest of the world? This way China loses no competitive edge regardless. Killing non-producing elderly benefits every government's budget, including our own. Every elderly person killed off is an other person for which all social security, medicare and all over government expenses are eliminated and the government will only pay about $300 for a funeral. How else to deal with an entitlement system for the elder than everyone in the budget side of government knows can not be sustained?

This also addresses the severe problem of an out-of-control population growth in the poorest regions of Africa, which is disruptive to China's massively growing investing in Africa and African natural and agricultural resources.

Anyway, that is where these diseases and viruses come from - and nearly all have come from - all the way back to the black plague in the 1300s and probably the Spanish influenza - though that is uncertain. Yellow fever that slaughtered the Americas came from Africa, where they also eat any and all animals - causing cross species diseases. Many animals naturally carry diseases that do not harm them, but do harm humans - such as Syphilis. Primates and bats carry many diseases lethal and communicative to and between humans. They eat primates and bats (and everything else). There are not sanitary or handling rules, even against eating raw meat in most areas. Then they or who they infected travel here.

You are correct it is the movement of people, not products (for the most part) that causes pandemics. In human history, the movement of people has likely killed a thousand times more people than all wars combined. Such virus migration to new territories has caused entire extinctions of humans in known history - such as 100% of every person and race on every Caribbean Island - no exceptions. Not one indigenous person survived. Total extinction of entire land masses of people that had existed there for thousands of years. It killed at least 95% of the indigenous peoples of the Americas - estimated as many as 200 million.

But the slogans of globalism and greed make all that completely irrelevant. Kill a million people a year, a hundred million people a year, a billion people, nothing will change. There is no profit in stopping this, only profit in allowing it to continue and ideally worsening each year. There are too many non-productive old people in the world.

Even though all of this has been known for decades, merely mentioning it makes me a crazy conspiracy theorist. No one dare question the perfection and motives of any government and certainly no one ever does anything but perfect behavior for greed.
 
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Alright. Then I dont think we disagree all that much. At some point--soon--these non-essential businesses have to reopen. Or many never will.

Many already are taking the government's money and have permanently closed. This will increase rapidly - exactly as the goal. The wealthiest of all are in the Internet business, not brick and mortar stores. The more brick and mortar businesses destroyed, the greater the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super rich. The richest companies and people on earth are making a killing off of this. Just coincidental, right?
 
No way, the human race is social, so "distancing" will eventually kill us because it will make us even less compassionate and caring than we already are anyway. So some kind of scientific solution like a vaccine is imperative.

If we don't figure out how to develop one, then yes...we will eventually wind up with a world that is a lot more cruel to the infirm and vulnerable, but in the process of becoming such a race, we will lose the ability to care about the value of life itself.

And that will set off a series of social miscues and missteps that will spell our global demise a lot faster than the virus ever could.
Strangers maintain a natural distance but humans live socially, and it is not possible to change that to such an extent.

Society is being manipulated to permanent change - as is government and economics - on many levels. Things will never go back to before.
 
I just saw a line of cars directed by police waiting to pick up to-go orders from the local "Road House" restaurant.

Of course, they are all handing money and coins, paper sacks and plastic bags with plastic forks, handling all containers, for which gloves are irrelevant the first time the gloves contaminated by a quarter.

I am convinced I really do live in a modern day idiocracy.

We did speak briefly to a fabulously wealthy person (billionaire) of a consortium of millionaires and billionaires we a bit personally know. That person's brief comment (my summary): "People are idiots to allow this to allow this to continue. This is about upward transference of wealth and power."
 
1. Wet markets where they congregation animals from all over the world, stacking them in small cages piled on top of each other - species that were never together before - causing the evolution of viruses that cross between them and humans. The bleed, urinate and defecate on all below them. Mixing species from around the world - that carry diseases that can pass to humans and maximized the evolution of new deadly diseases and viruses. This spreading disease across the world continuously and other animals as they can be more compactly stored that way.

2. China turns a blind eye to their bio-lab employees selling dead lab animals to the wet markets - where with the other animals they are sold and usually butchered and even cooked on the spot with no sanitary rules whatsoever. Any virus in a Chinese lab or created in a Chinese lab will ultimately travel across the world.

Both those practices are very desirable to the Chinese government, because who is most vulnerable are the non-productive elderly. China has an overwhelming elderly population due to years and years of an enforced "one child" law (ie forced abortions) - for which most wanted a male child. Thus, N. Korea is China's source of women and brides. In communism, it is everyone's duty to produce for society. Non-productive people should be eliminated in communist theory of the collective hive. The elderly don't produce but only consume, so they need to be eliminated.

Why would China care of spreading this to the rest of the world? This way China loses no competitive edge regardless. Killing non-producing elderly benefits every government's budget, including our own. Every elderly person killed off is an other person for which all social security, medicare and all over government expenses are eliminated and the government will only pay about $300 for a funeral. How else to deal with an entitlement system for the elder than everyone in the budget side of government knows can not be sustained?

This also addresses the severe problem of an out-of-control population growth in the poorest regions of Africa, which is disruptive to China's massively growing investing in Africa and African natural and agricultural resources.

Anyway, that is where these diseases and viruses come from - and nearly all have come from - all the way back to the black plague in the 1300s and probably the Spanish influenza - though that is uncertain. Yellow fever that slaughtered the Americas came from Africa, where they also eat any and all animals - causing cross species diseases. Many animals naturally carry diseases that do not harm them, but do harm humans - such as Syphilis. Primates and bats carry many diseases lethal and communicative to and between humans. They eat primates and bats (and everything else). There are not sanitary or handling rules, even against eating raw meat in most areas. Then they or who they infected travel here.

You are correct it is the movement of people, not products (for the most part) that causes pandemics. In human history, the movement of people has likely killed a thousand times more people than all wars combined. Such virus migration to new territories has caused entire extinctions of humans in known history - such as 100% of every person and race on every Caribbean Island - no exceptions. Not one indigenous person survived. Total extinction of entire land masses of people that had existed there for thousands of years. It killed at least 95% of the indigenous peoples of the Americas - estimated as many as 200 million.

But the slogans of globalism and greed make all that completely irrelevant. Kill a million people a year, a hundred million people a year, a billion people, nothing will change. There is no profit in stopping this, only profit in allowing it to continue and ideally worsening each year. There are too many non-productive old people in the world.

Even though all of this has been known for decades, merely mentioning it makes me a crazy conspiracy theorist. No one dare question the perfection and motives of any government and certainly no one ever does anything but perfect behavior for greed.

A) We are talking about viruses that stretch back into history.... where those wet markets would be far less global and would be universally used as there is no refrigeration and such anywhere.

It is also the most populated region on earth, so maybe just more dice rolls.


B) according to the media circuit Dr.s an engineers virus is easy to spot..

For humans to manipulate a virus it must be very orderly in its make up. That way the scientists can keep up with what they are doing..

Well this is a jumbled mess and has no section that is orderly as if it was engineered.


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Ive never claimed a recession caused any deaths.
This is semantic BS by you, I did not say you "claimed" ANYTHING, I said you ASKED THE QUESTION:

So you value 30% unemployment and a global depression? How many deaths do you think that will cause?



Why do you lie about what I say in every thread?
I know you love to play these stupid semantic games, so cut the crap and answer your own question.
 
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